[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[Heather Perella]

> [SA previously]
> Krimel, I agree with you here.  I would go as far
> to state that change is the impression of dynamic
> quality.  By noting change I would say one has been
> able to staticly latch or staticly suggest something
> even if this something is as vague as change.  I
> also see the levels, as "we ascend them" do increase
in
> the rate of change, thus, freeing them up for
change. 
> The inorganic level doesn't change much.  Chaos is
> another topic of course, which is a dismissal of any
> staticness.

 
> [Krimel]
> Actually, I think and have said many times that
> Chaos is the topic.

     By chaos, I'm referring to where no static
latches occur, no static patterns occur, and thus,
dynamic quality would never organize.  I understand
what you refer to as chaos organizing into patterns
static enough to be distinct and orderly.  These seem
to be two difference understandings.  What do you
think?  

 
> [SA previously]
> [This is an interesting correlation between
> intellect and society.  Perhaps, also, western
> philosophy is influenced by the Christian notion or
> the Christian notion is influenced by (either way
> this is a notion in society today) earth is evil,
> material things are evil, and as we are swollowed up
by more
> and more materialistic ventures or accumulative
> valuing in our daily routine (as opposed to the
> higher quality pursuits of social and intellectual
> patterns) the feedback between material things are
bad and
> material things are needed might have something to
> do with getting the intellectual patterns away from
a
> everyday living.  As in the cartoon Nemo when the
> little girl loudly taps on the aquarium where the
> starfish is, and the starfish keeps saying, "Find a
> happy place, find a happy place, find a happy
> place!".

 
> [Krimel]
> This notion of the material world being evil seems
> to arise from the
> Platonic forms. My take is that Plato realized the
> value of the pure
> constructions of the mathematical world idealized in
> Greek geometry. A
> Euclidian triangle is perfect. The triangle we draw
> with a compass and
> protractor is not. The dread of the material world
> that you note is an
> extension of this.
> Christianity is a synthesis of Greek philosophy and
> Jewish ethics but that
> is another topic...

    Yes, I agree with you here.  I couldn't remember
which came first historically due to the "fall of
humankind" being spouted here a lot recently on this
forum.  I have heard that Jews don't have a concept of
hell, but I've never delved into these historical
concepts that much.  It is admittedly interesting.

thanks.

blue, 
SA


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