[MD] Contradiction

[MarshaV]

At 04:56 PM 11/13/2007, you wrote:
>i will not apologise for my objectless passion! ;-)
>i like krishnamurti aswell. he and the physicist david bohm 
>corresponded for many years and it was a real east-west synthesis, 
>which of course was the goal of northrop's that spurred Bob on.
>so to return to my tizzy filled 'yessses': i think Bob would concur.

Well, in that case, yes, yes, yes, yes, yesssssssssssssssssss, yes, 
yes, yessss!!!!!!

Got a cigarette?

Marsha





>MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>Gav,
>
>Don't get yourself in a tizzy, I was trying to be politically correct
>and not offend Bo or Platt by mentioning a Eastern Philosopher
>without a reference to RMP.  But I do think somewhere RMP mentions
>Krishnamurti, but I can't remember where.  Like with Nietzsche, I've
>read everything Krishnamurti has written.  I find he cuts to the
>heart of the matter.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>At 05:18 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote:
> >yes!!!!!!
> >yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >MarshaV  wrote:
> >I hope RMP will approve.
> >
> >A couple of other quotes by Jiddu Krishnamurti follow:
> >
> >Perhaps you have never experienced that state of mind in which there
> >is total abandonment of everything, a complete letting go. And you
> >cannot abandon everything without deep passion, can you? You cannot
> >abandon everything intellectually or emotionally. There is total
> >abandonment, surely, only when there is intense passion. Don't be
> >alarmed by that word, because a man who is not passionate, who is not
> >intense, can never understand or feel the quality of beauty. The mind
> >that holds something in reserve, the mind that has a vested interest,
> >the mind that clings to position, power, prestige, the mind that is
> >respectable, which is a horror - such a mind can never abandon itself.
> >
> >In the state of passion without a cause there is intensity free of
> >all attachment; but when passion has a cause, there is attachment,
> >and attachment is the beginning of sorrow. Most uf us are attached,
> >we cling to a person, to a country, to a belief, to an idea, and when
> >the object of our attachment is taken away or otherwise loses its
> >significance, we find ourselves empty, insufficient. This emptiness
> >we try to fill by clinging to something else, which again becomes the
> >object of our passion. Examine your own heart and mind. I am merely a
> >mirror in which you are looking at yourself. If you don't want to
> >look, that is quite all right; but if you do want to look, then look
> >at yourself clearly, ruthlessly, with intensity - not in hope of
> >dissolving your miseries, your anxieties, your sense of guilt, but in
> >order to understand this extraordinary passion which always leads to
> >sorrow. When passion has a cause it becomes lust. When there is
> >passion for something - for a person, for an idea, for some kind of
> >fulfillment - then out of that passion there comes contradiction,
> >conflict, effort. You strive to achieve or maintain a particular
> >state, or to recapture one that has been and is gone. But the passion
> >of which I am speaking does not give rise to contradiction, conflict.
> >It is totally unrelated to a cause, and therefore it is not an effect.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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