[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[ian glendinning]

Arlo, like Ron if that's what you think, then I don't see how it
disagrees with what Ron and I had agreed ...

(Agree about "freedom" being DQ, at all levels / independent of levels
... I was just agreeing that it is key at the intellectual level,
too.)

When you say
"To paint "social level patterns" are some form of "group think", with
intellect as some form of "individual think" paints the picture that
before the Greeks no one thought for themselves, and that in modern
times we view the world from a singular, objective vantage point"

Group think is a first person thing too (plural). we weren't talking
individual vs collective. The issue has nothing to do with Greeks, but
is about the evolution of "self" consciousness - subject/object
(singular or plural).

For me this just further illustrates that there is very little to
distinguish social and intellectual level patterns.

Ian