[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[skutvik at online.no]

DMB and Group! 

On 14 Nov. you wrote (to Ian who had written):

> For me this just further illustrates that there is very little to
> distinguish social and intellectual level patterns.
 
> dmb says:
> Really? Then where would you locate the intellectual quality of the
> statement, "I love my country" and where would you locate the social
> level value of the equation E=mc2? Is a book-burning an intellectual
> event because books are involved? 

Dave, you're "my man". Just this small gem demonstrates what 
the the social/intellectual distinction is about. Social value's 
expression (I call) is EMOTIONS and the phrase "I love my 
country" (right or wrong) is telling for this attitude. Intellect's 
expression" - REASON - and its primary pattern science's 
E=MC2 is just as telling.

> When the Bush administration supresses scientific data for political
> and financial reasons, is that just a clash of equal philosophies? Are
> we really powerless to discern the difference or see patterns? C'mon
> you guys, the difference between ant colonies and human societies is as
> stark as the difference between pheromones and moral laws. I really
> don't understand why its so hard to distinquish these things. 

Agreement. But this also proves my SOL (Intellect=S/O) There 
can't arrive an "intellectual" pattern that overthrows the S/O while 
remaining an intellectual pattern. The MOQ started as one but 
"took off on a purpose of its own".   

> Seems to me that fascism and fundamentalism are going to continue to
> threaten democracy and so knowing the difference is going to continue
> to be important. And if these are levels of morality then confusion
> about which is which is going to lead to immoral choices, don't you
> think? 

JUST RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bo







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