[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

Matt Kundert pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
Mon Nov 19 21:04:47 PST 2007




Ian said:
Given all the discussion, I'd still be really interested where DMB fundamentally disagrees with Matt .... not for the sake of argument, but fundamentally, pragmatically ?

Matt:
In five years, I think the two of us have narrowed it down to:

 

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(I'm hoping to be able to fill that in some day.)

 

Truthfully, if all indications are correct, DMB thinks our fundamental disagreement is that I cannot countenance the notion of "pure experience," without which any pragmatism loses its hold on reality and becomes a solipsistic idealism.  This is, from his point of view, a real difference.

 

>From my point of view, our fundamental disagreement seems to be that DMB thinks the idiom of experience is indispensable, whereas I don't think it matters all that much whether we talk about experience or language.  This is, from my point of view, a communicative difference, which is to say, it's real enough as far as disagreements go, but its one of those where one of the disputants can't figure out why they can't just all get along.

 

So, meta-conversationally, our prior disagreement is that we can't agree on what we disagree about.

 

Matt

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