[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[David M]

Hi Bo


Bo: Anyway, from the MOQ we see that the 4th. level's view of itself (while
it was SOM) is that of objectivity rising above subjectivity.

DM: Yes and hence SOM ends up suppressing subjective static quality 
patterns,
so in this sense it does not create a S/O distinction it ends up with only 
the
objective and becomes materialistic and unable to make any sense of 
value/values
except as epi-phenomenon.

When Pirsig suggests we replace
SOM with MOQ this is to solve the problems of SOM he has discussed,
some of these problems like the mind/matter distinction seems just as 
problematic
to me if you drop the metaphysics. For me a 4th level that only contain the 
S/O
distinction retains some of the problems of SOM. What about the 
dynamic/static
distincition, perfectly intellectual and perfectly not captured via the S/O 
distinction?