[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Ham]
> Nothing comes from  nothingness.

[Craig] 
> How did you determine this?  Isn't it possible that every time a
> positive particle comes into existence.a negative one does too?

[Ham]
> Coming into existence is the problem for philosophy, not what happens to a 
> particle.

But is coming into existence something that happens to a particle?

[Ham]
> The irrefutable logic first expressed over 2000 years ago is: 'ex 
> nihilo, nihil fit' -- nothing comes from nothingness.


I don't see it as a matter of logic, much less anything irrefutable, Latin notwithstanding. 

> So, where does your positive particle come from?

Where, indeed?  That's the question that needs to be investigated.  We say that a statue is created from a lump of clay or that  two bosons collide to create an electron-positron pair.  But what if you have something that you can't find what it was created from?  Will you take that as a counter-example or will you insist that there must be a source as yet undiscovered (& on what basis)?
Craig