[MD] Forget about Empiricism, no thanks.

[David M]

Hi Bo/Jo

>> DM: I see. I would say that there are many qualities that we
>> experience. There is no need or way to explain this experience.
>
> [Bo]
> There is no way of ESCAPING an explanation of experience and for
> the Western world this explanation has been the subject/object one.

DM: Is it an explanation? I'd suggest it is a way of dividing and describing
experience, where's the explanation?


> [Joe]
> IMO THE S/O divide is a description of an EVOLUTIONARY dynamism rather 
> than the intellectual level. As I look out at the universe, I see the Sun 
> with its system of planets as an example of EVOLUTION! WHY? PROPRIETARY 
> AWARENESS, the Social level does not experience S/O. Instead it sees a 
> need for order to assuage its emptiness. The Intellectual level evolves 
> from proprietary awareness-social level, an individual 
> proprietary-awareness in the individual and an awareness of the evolution 
> in the Cosmic order. IMO the Intellectual Level creates laws in two orders 
> of evolution-- Cosmic, and Conscious evolution.

DM: Well yes,one of the problems with SOM is its focus on order and its 
blindness towards dynamic emergence, etc.

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