[MD] Forget about Empiricism, no thanks.

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Ian and Craig

On 22 Oct. Ian wrote:

> Ah yes, Craig, but Bo will argue that MoQ is NOT an intellectual
> pattern - for reasons of circular logic (approximately that
> intellectual patterns cannot be defined by an intellectual pattern)
> ... though I say, that's a good reason to argue the opposite.

Thanks Ian for anticipating my response, it was spot on, but  I 
may add a few remarks on this topic. 

First of all the 4th level is static, there may be a dynamic urge to 
spawn new patterns, but new patterns of any level are by default 
static and because the MOQ is the very DQ/SQ system it can by 
no twist of logic be intellectual. It is the meta-level that contains it 
all. 

There is however some level-like relationship between intellect 
and the MOQ that harks back to the era before the MOQ - that is 
before SOM became its 4th. level. And those who haven't 
realized this "extreme makeover" and still sees the MOQ an 
intellectual pattern the outcome is clear: The MOQ is a SOM 
"idea". OK, enough!  I'm shouting in the desert ;-)           

> I think we've been round that loop in this very thread (or a parallel
> recent thread) ? Ian

We certainly have been and certainly will be again. Intellect's role 
in the MOQ is its sore spot. Look to my response to David M. 
about (his) examples of alleged non-S/O intellectual patterns - an 
oxymoron IMO.  

Bo

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> On 10/22/07, craigerb at comcast.net <craigerb at comcast.net> wrote:
> > [Bo]
> > > I asked for examples of intellectual patterns you deem non-S/O.
> > Isn't the MoQ an intellectual pattern which is non-S/O.
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