[MD] subject / object logic

[David M]

Craig

Can't see that postulates like this say anything contradictory about the MOQ 
suggestion
that we recognise existence only in experience. We use the abstract 
expression 'earth' to refer
to certain aspects of our experience. Maybe we should say our earth, the one 
we experience.
Sure we can imagine that this idea, this potential object of experience, is 
older than a human
life of seventy years, that it was the object of experience of our 
ancestors, and we can suggest
that it could have been experienced billions of years agoif there had been 
anyone around to
experience it. But that possibility no longer exists and it probably did not 
happen. Billions of
years ago there was nothing around like us to create an experience of any 
'earth'. In this sense
'earth' did not not and could not exist as an experience billions of years 
ago. The idea of
our earth being billions of years old is a modern idea, it is this idea that 
creates the possible
but never actual experience of an earth before even life existed on it. This 
idea of an ancient
earth exists only for us and our created understanding of its duration. 
Hence, before science
our reality was of a much younger earth. The 4.5 billion year old earth is 
an idea we have, and
as such is subject to falsification. The MOQ is merely stating the obvious 
about how we can
know anything, via experience and our making sense of that experience. The 
earth is 4.5 billion
years old for us, that is how we experience it as moderns. Experience is not 
simply immediate,
the levels mean that we are now human being with intellect and this has 
transformed what we
experience.

David M



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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic


> [dmb]
>> The MOQ says that experience brings "things" into existence.  Instead of 
>> the usual view, it says that
>> "things" are given reality by virtue of the distinctions we discover in 
>> experience.
>
> Let's look at a specific example:  when did the earth come into existence?
> 1) 4.5 billion years ago (according to scientists)
> 2) 1 million years ago (according to early man)
> 3) 6,000 years ago (according to the Bible)
>
> If 1) is correct, then the earth existed prior to our experience of it.
> Craig
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