[MD] subject / object logic

[Ant McWatt]

Platt was talking to Ron Kulp September 17th:

Admittedly I haven't been following your discussion with SA and David all 
that closely, but for what it's worth I agree with the thrust of your 
argument here. As I've argued with Ant, it seems that some here as well as 
Pirsig will bring the mystic viewpoint into the conversation when it seems 
to suit them…

Ant McWatt comments:

Platt,

Interesting, so where exactly do you think Pirsig brings the mystic 
viewpoint “into the conversation” when it seems just to suit him?

I think you actually meant to say “As I've tried to avoid arguing with Ant 
(and S-A), it seems that less enlightened people (in relation to world 
poverty, global warming, etc.) will often ignore the mystic viewpoint as it 
suits their selfish lifestyle to do so.”

Platt continued his propaganda:

While at the same time denying that the mystic viewpoint is of much use in 
the "everyday world" where we ride motorcycles, drink beer and pick up bar 
ladies (assuming we're not married of course).

Ant McWatt comments:

I hadn’t noticed that “assuming we’re not married” qualification in ZMM 
before.  You’ll also have to point that out to me Platt. :-)  Anyway, the 
mystic or Dynamic viewpoint is useful because, for example, it helps us see 
that everything is all inter-related so deters one from picking-up a bar 
lady when married because if everyone behaved that way, family stability 
(and hence wider society) would eventually be undermined.

Mr Self-righteous continued:

I don't know about [those evil Buddhist monks, left-wing academics and 
hippies] but the everyday world to me is the "real" world where I live, 
love, paint and will eventually depart from. The mystic world of drugs, 
dreams and illusions is all very well if living in a monastery is your idea 
of the good life.

Ant McWatt comments:

So that’s what all those monks are up to?  Book me in!

Platt continued his self-righteous lecture:

Personally, like Pirsig, I'd rather be on an expensive boat cruising down 
the Hudson River eating steak and, when arriving in NYC, staying at the Ritz 
Plaza using money I've earned from my books.

Ant McWatt comments:

Personally, like Pirsig, I don’t see someone having an expensive yacht 
cruising down the Hudson River eating steak etc., from their own hard work 
and, on the other hand, being a mystic, having dreams and “tools” to reach 
more enlightened states as mutually exclusive.  The MOQ “good life” has a 
balance of both “static” and “Dynamic” elements to it.

Platt concluded:

In any case, you are not alone in your assessment of "reality." Sometimes 
it's good to know you are not the only one who has no doubt that he is 
planted firmly on the seat of a speeding bike while enjoying the beauty of a 
passing scene.

Ant McWatt comments:

Then suddenly Ron wakes up and realises he was just dreaming…

Good dream though.



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