[MD] real/illusion/real

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Arlo had said previously]
Child: I am real, you are an illusion.  [Soliptic thinking]

Adult: We are both real. [S/O thinking]

Zen Adult: We are both illusions. [Buddhist thinking]

MOQ Adult: Okay, so we are philosophically both illusions, but how
can we make use of this illusion to build rotisseries, maintain our
motorcycles and sail our boats in the best way possible.

[Arlo adds]
Gah! I forgot to mention the reason for this addition.

I think the real-illusion-real cycle Marsha mentions is the 
"adult-zen adult-moq adult" cycle above.

The illusion-real-illusion cycle I mention is the "child-adult-zen adult".

So you see these are not contradictory, simply different in terms of 
where you start with that analytic knife.