[MD] Freewill vs. Determinism?

[Joseph Maurer]

On Sunday 9 September 2007 2:50:23 AM MarshaV writes to Joe

Hi Joe,

I didn't understand the language of your answer. Maybe I didn't 
understand my own question enough to ask it. It might be time for me 
to adopt a strategy of painting sans chattering.

Thank you for writing.

Marsha

At 03:27 PM 9/8/2007, Joe wrote:
>Hi Marsha and all,
>
>I am trying to avoid a body/soul division. Mind and will are 
>attributed to the soul. I accept self awareness as an evolutionary 
>level beyond the organic. IMO the initial moment of self-awareness 
>is, I am empty, I participate in determined, cosmic evolution, and 
>in free, conscious evolution. In looking at others I see valuable 
>behavior creating a form to relationships. Law is realized and the >social order evolves to the intellectual order. E.g.,the 
>relationship between man and woman is both willing (I) and 
>determined (it). IMO society evolves both mechanically and 
>consciously on parallel courses to the intellectual level of law. 
>Here cosmic (mechanical) evolution stops.
>
>Conscious evolution can continue in the individual into two more 
>levels, a higher social level, a higher intellectual level together 
>called enlightenment. After the intellectual level the cosmos has no 
>more need for my awareness, but I do.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>Greetings,
>
>Krimel mentioned the Freewill vs.Determinism problem. Don't these
>two concepts melt into Dynamic & static experience? Seems the
>either/or disappears into how tightly SPoVs are packed, and how open
>patterns are to Dynamic experiences. There is no 'I' to
>choose. Patterns of probabilities? Maybe. How do others understand
>this problem?
>
>Marsha

Hi MarshaV and all,

I am sorry for writing obscurely. I agree: Seems the either/or (Freewill vs Determinism) disappears into how tightly SpoVs are packed, and how open patterns are to Dynamic experiences. 

I have been laboring over the S/O distinction, and I read Freewill as S, and Determinism as O indicating two streams of evolution. IMO S manifests from conscious evolution and is therefore free. O manifests from cosmic evolution, and is Determined. 

The subjective (I) is free, evolving consciously. The objective (I) is determined, evolving mechanically according to the dictates of Cosmic evolution. I suppose to be clear I should use the word (It) to describe the activities of the objective (I). I do not think I am the only one who is confused on this point.



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