[MD] subject/object: no quality?

[MarshaV]

Ham,

I would agree with your friend that what is important is value.  I 
would express it as what is of primary importance is value.  I think 
that it is value that is fundamental to the life-experience.  Right 
here, right now.

I love you, Ham.

Marsha



At 03:57 AM 9/23/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha --
>
>
>
> > I think that which is prior to our experience is best left
> > undefined.  To me, using the word 'primary' is saying too much.
> > The word 'purpose' seems very presumptuous.  While unknowable,
> > within my frame of reference (constellation of overlapping,
> > interconnected, ever-changing static patterns of value) I find
> > events and relationships very interesting and exciting.  Therefore,
> > I try to make the 'best' of these events and relationships.  I live my
> > life.  And I'm happy corresponding with you is a part of that life.
>
>Far be it for me to try to push a metaphysical hypothesis on you when you
>are obviously not ready for it.  I'm glad that you find the ever-changing
>patterns of events and relationships exciting, and can understand why you're
>presently content to leave the "unknowable" undefined.  Yet, there are many
>out there who are hungry for understanding beyond factual knowledge.  These
>are the folks I'm trying to reach.  A great many subsist on faith in
>religious doctrine, others seek the wisdom of the venerable philosophers or
>the spirituality of New Age mysticism, while some are convinced that
>scientific objectivism will eventually resolve all their questions.
>
>What troubles me is that our society, with the help of Hollywood and the
>media, has succumbed to emotional fads based on issues which have no logic
>or wisdom behind them.  One of these fads is the belief that the desire for
>higher understanding is a relic of the past that "intellectual
>enlightenment" has overcome.  Elitists like Richard Dawkins and Christopher
>Hitchens play on this ruse by trying to convince the vulnerable that
>religion is the root of all evil and that it's time we put spirituality
>behind us.  They profit from the sale of books pitting Science against
>Religion, as if this were not a battle already played out in centuries past.
>Yet, they say nothing about the values that have been trashed by a culture
>which has made "having fun" the first priority, with little if any concern
>for fiscal, moral, or civil responsibility.
>
>In a small book titled "Roots of Freedom", John Danford wrote: "The hedonism
>of individual pleasure-seeking, the sense that there is no limit to what is
>permitted in the name of individual fulfillment or 'actualization', the
>disappearance of any sense of obligations-these are early warnings of a free
>society's decay."   Unfortunately, he's right.  I would venture to say that
>most citizens today are so accustomed to enjoying the latest technological
>gadgets and an affluent life style, they've come to believe that America is
>invulnerable.  The sad truth is that they're in a state of denial about many
>"realities" confronting them, not the least of which is the threat of a
>barbarian culture fully committed to the destruction of their way of life.
>
>A retired chemistry professor, and friend of many years, told me recently he
>thought value is really only "what's important".  I would turn his
>definition around and say that what's really important is value.  In  seven
>decades on this planet I have watched the values that made this nation great
>fall by the wayside to be replaced by the hubris of power, the deferment of
>individual responsibility, the mediocrity of multicultural egalitarianism,
>and the senseless rejection of metaphysical reality.
>
>By the time you reach my age, Marsha, I suspect you will be expressing some
>of the same observations.  Hopefully by that time you will have sensed a
>need to revisit the concept of "primary source" and discover what is
>fundamental to your life-experience.
>
>Thanks for a stimulating discussion.
>
>Essentially yours,
>Ham
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