[MD] Values

[David M]

Hi Folks

Another really great book on values is Charles Taylor's Sources of the Self.

DM


>     [Ham]
>> When was the last time you heard someone outside of
> government
>> or the MoQ talk about value?  We're fooling
> ourselves if we think that > people know what value
> is, reflect on it, or even view it as important.  >
> Most people are concerned about issues, not values,
> and where do
>> they get their advice?  From rock singers and movie
> stars.
>
>
>     Ham, I agree.  I don't even hear the word - value
> - outside of the moq or politics and in the latter it
> is usually referred to as 'family values'.  I can't
> think of any other context in politics it is used.
> Does anybody else hear the word - value?
>     Also, it took me over a year on this discuss
> forum to understand a basic notion of what value is.
> I'm not saying due to this forum.  For I read the word
> here numerous times.  It just didn't click as to what
> value really meant.  Especially in a moq context with
> dq, this undefinable source, and sq, with the levels
> and such.  And then how quality is the same as value
> and moral.  I'm still not completely sure on the
> quality - moral connection.  I've got value
> pinned-down to it can be thought of as a gateway of
> like(s) and dislike(s).  I find our decision to value
> something based on our already existing static
> patterns, and how much we are open to change or
> 'something' new.  Value is grounded in the static
> patterns of intellect, society, organic, and
> inorganic.  Yet, to like and dislike something, taken
> on face 'value', can easily be thought of as whims and
> superficiality notions.  I like this today, but
> tomorrow now I like that, for example.  Desires,
> consumerism, sex, and instant gratifications that can
> occur in this culture dip into this notion of likes
> and dislikes where it sounds more like pleasure than
> value.  Yet, here is where the notion of value is even
> more grounded and seen similar, or as the moq puts it,
> the same as morals.  Likes and dislikes in this
> culture seem more conducive to pleasure in this
> culture, but I'm sure, Ham, that's not what your
> talking about, and that's not what the moq is talking
> about either.  These likes and dislikes are more moral
> than that.
>     Do you see what I mean?  How do we or how do we
> get the message of value across without getting it
> wrapped up in what this culture usually perceives
> likes and dislikes to be?  I like my chocolate today,
> but tomorrow I'll like potato chips.  Value usage,
> value in action has become a value without morals.
>
>
> thoughts?
>
> woods,
> SA
>
>
> 
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