[MD] A World of Objects

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Chris

On 1 April you made an april joke by totally scrambling my 
remark to  Dan's. 

> ---------- Ah, and another thing - anything that isn't clearly originated
> from the social, biological or inorganic level must be of the intellectual
> level, right? So, if a thought arises, and it in no way is an expression
> for social or biological values, musn't it be intellectual? I know, it
> sounds overly-simplistic, and I'm counting on you to problematize it, but,
> well. enough for now.  

I'm not sure I get your meaning here, but from the MOQ's meta-
level seen there are nothing but value patterns. No disembodied 
thoughts as in SOM, only intellect's value of the "thoughts as 
different from the external world" distinction. So my glib 
agreement is, yes, any pattern not biological or social must be 
intellectual, but the implications of this eludes me. Perhaps you 
mean how an intellectual S/O pattern could spawn the MOQ's 
DQ/SQ "pattern"?  

Maybe I answer to a question never aslked, but listen: You sit in 
front of your desktop and feel thoughts whirr around in your mind. 
Then Bodvar writes "..in the MOQ there are no thoughts" and you 
rightfully wonder, but it only means that regarding this internal 
activity as "thoughts in a mind" is the 4th. level's value! There 
were an age (social) that regarded it totally differently, for 
example as the devil and God fighting for your attention, and 
before that a biological "age" without language yet with the neural 
ability to "think" in the sense of visualising things - to dream - I 
won't problematize this any further, but hope that you will see. 

Only this: The social and biological are not gone but ingrained 
parts of our Q layout and their value as good as ever. When at 
the biological level - in pain or lust - we don't give a damn about 
social and intellectual matters, we are just sensing. When at the 
social level we are just emotions. A terrorist is so totally focussed 
on the common social  cause that he gladly sacrifice his life. 

Enough for now.

Bo