[MD] Value and the Individual

[Ron Kulp]

Ron:
Ham,
This is how I see it, 
Pre-intellectual is the most real and certain and moral because it is
raw experience before we develop an intellectual understanding of the
experience In culturally derived linguistic and grammatical terms.
Pirsig equates experience with reality much the same way you do.

Pirsig tends to stray from anthropic principle if you ask me, which is
The whole point of his metaphysic, busting that notion of otherness as
an
Absolute entity in itself. He supports the idea that objective reality
is a subjective interpretation. 
Value then is centered on avoiding prejudicial assumptions and focusing
on
Actual first hand experiences. Intellectual experience is but one of
many modes of conscious awareness. Sense of Value is an individual
endeavor
Within a intellectual, social, biological and inorganic context.

But it does not mean that existence is ultimately meaningless, it
Means that "meaning" is self derived, that it is important to
Recognize this and not go looking for meaning outside of ourselves.

The most certain of experiences - pre-intellectual ones are the ones
In which meaning holds the most value.

To get caught up in the objectivism of the levels applying to an
objective reality is kinda missing the point. Evolution is now. The rest
is just interpretation.



Ham:
I feel we have lost our valuistic connection with reality in these 
discussions, and I need some assurance that the observer's experience, 
defined by RMP as "the cutting edge of reality", really does start with
the 
"pre-intellectual" sense of Value.  So I propose that we open a
discussion 
as to what relevance Value has to the cognizant individual.  (Feel free
to 
use "Quality" as a synonym if it's more comfortable within the MoQ
syntax.)

Should anyone not understand what prompts my discouragement, I'll be
happy 
to elaborate.

Thanks, in advance, for your ideas.

Regards,
Ham