[MD] What is 'Plains-spoken' to you?

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Matt] 
> What is an idea if not words? 

[Krimel] 
> What are words if not symbols for ideas? 
> Joy, sorrow and disgust are all ideas that can easily and effectively be 
> communicated with or without words. The fact that they both exist and can be 
> communicated in the absence of words suggests that they are ontologically 
> distinct from words. 

Might this not be a chicken-&-egg problem? Might it not be that words & ideas 
emerged/evolved together? 
[Q: Which came first words or ideas? 
A: Mu] 
If joy, sorrow and disgust are biological states, they can be perceived without 
being conceptualized. (As one animal senses fear in another. Or one animal 
intimidates another.) 
How do you know that you have the same concept of 'joy', for instance, that
 everyone else does (& of course it must be the same concept), prior to knowing
you use the word 'joy' the same as they do?
Craig