[MD] Value and the Individual

[Krimel]

> > > > > [Krimel]
> > > > > Aren't individuals subservient to the state in every system of
> > > > > government?
> > > > 
> > > > [Platt]
> > > > Read the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution.
> > > 
> > > > > How is fascism even remotely connected to Marxism?
> > > > 
> > > > [Platt]
> > > > Read "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg.
> > > > 
> > > > [Krimel]
> > > > Again perhaps as you have so often urged others, you could explain 
> > > > what your view is and how these authors support your views.
> > > 
> > > [Platt]
> > > In Marxism and fascism individuals are subservient to the state.
> 
> > > 
> > > [Krimel]
> > > These must be very short books. How does this criticism differentiate 
> > > these forms of government from any other? If it applies to them all, 
> > > it is hardly a criticism is it?
> > 
> > [Platt]
> > Are you suggesting there's no difference between Marxism and the U.S.?
> > 
> > [Krimel]
> > There may be lots of differences but the fact that under each of them 
> > the individual is subservient to the state is not one of them.
> 
> [Platt]
> Sorry you think individuals in the U.S. are subservient to the state.
> Obviously free speech and ownership of property means nothing to you. Sad.
> 
> [Krimel]
> Both my speech and ownership are subservient to what the state allows. The
> _principle_ of subservience is equal in both systems.

[Platt]
If you can't see the difference between the U.S. and a fascist/national
socialist/communist state, I pity you. 

[Krimel]
I have not said there are no differences among political systems only that
individual subservience to government is not a difference. That is not what
distinguishes them. They are all alike in recognizing this as a principle of
governance.