[MD] Fw: Science and the MOQ

[David M]

Hi Krim

don't you think the poor germ needs a motive
to get out of bed in the morning and go searching
for scum and stuff? might just be the same for those
damn particles that won't take a rest, who they
running from or to?  You know Newton always hoped
to find animism in matter and spent a lot of time looking
for its signs in all matter.Maybe what you see depends on
how you look at it. That is my only point. It's not clear cut
where we should make the cut, even if there  is such a cut
as you favour. Of course, the metaphor of law and
mechanism has been useful in gaining control and predictive
powers, certain metaphors favour certain uses.

DM



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Science and the MOQ


>> > [Platt]
>> > Whether a germ knows there's an independent reality or not is debatable
>> > since we don't know what it's like to be a germ. That a germ knows that
>> > it's better for it to be in one place rather than another can be 
>> > assumed
>
>> > by its behavior.
>> > Similarly with an electron.
>> >
>> > [Krimel]
>> > If we don't know what a germ knows maybe we ought to just talk about
>> > what it does rather than making ass-u-me-tions about what it knows.
>> > Similarly with electrons.
>>
>> [Platt]
>> Every form of knowledge rests on assumptions.
>>
>> [Krimel}
>> This places a heavy burden on assumptions. So much so that I think the
>> burden of justifying the making of them rests on those urging the
>> assumption. In these situations what justifies your assumption? What does
>> it offer us?
>
> [Platt]
> By "these assumptions" I assume you mean the above about a germ and an
> electron.
> As for what it offers us, read "Lila."
>
> [Krimel]
> It is you who says, "That a germ knows that it's better for it to be in 
> one
> place rather than another can be assumed by its behavior."
>
> I am asking you to articulate your personal reason for urging this
> assumption. Can you tell me in you own words what benefit you see to
> assuming that a germ "knows" based on what it does.
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