[MD] an eagle

[MarshaV]

At 04:58 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>Marsha:
> > It is difficult to be serious because it is very
> > serious.  I breezed
> > through Lines 1-5, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.  I
> > marveled at how well
> > they were written.  Line six.
>
>SA:  We are critics of life.  Does something measure
>up to who we are is our valuing process, I guess.


Greetings SA,

It unfortunately would seem sometimes so.  My comments were on the 
translation and commentary.  I have had several prejudices because of 
past difficulties reading such texts.  Red Pine (Bill Porter) has 
made this reading much easier than I expected.  Beautiful.  But the 
judgement is solely mine.


>Marsha:
> > Form is emptiness.  Yes.  Emptiness is
> > form.
>
>SA:  yes everything is dependent upon everything else,
>dependent origination this is how emptiness involves
>no strict boundaries, where even our self goes back to
>our parents to their parents, etc...

Yes.


>Marsha:
> > It felt like there was a mirror facing a
> > mirror in my
> > head.  Nothing else to say.  Nothing to say.
> > Nothing.  -  The Heart
> > Sutra is a serious book.
>
>SA:  Yes... this mirror experience is what I was
>discussing, but this mirror is not a mirror as being I
>stand here and look into a mirror and the mirror
>merely shines back me standing here.  This me in the
>eagle, this valuing that the eagle explains about me
>so well is due to the eagle not just mimicking me, or
>mirroring me so well even in deep experience, this me
>the eagle is, is me in the eagle, not a mirror
>strictly speaking.  Something about this eagle is me
>that I find in the eagle, it is found this way, just
>as what is not me about the eagle in a certain way is
>not me.  It depends on how we are approaching this
>experience.

It was a very visceral experience.  It felt like I was seeing with 
the back of my eyeballs, or trying to.  Guess you had to be there.


>Marsha:
> > But after line 6, I lost my
> > concentration.  I read the rest of the book,
> > understood what was
> > written, but I was still with those mirrors.  If one
> > can choose
> > patterns, I choose these.  If I am fortunate, they
> > will choose me.
>
>SA:  You choose the patterns that you lost your
>concentration after you read line 6?  Did you get your
>concentration back?

No, not that deep concentration.  It was not unpleasant.  I should 
add a daily concentration practice.


>Marsha:
> > It turns out I wasn't ready to dance yet.  These
> > books are warm and gracious.
>
>SA:  oh
>
>
>rain, then no rain, but now rain,


daffodils here and there, and a red-tailed hawk,

Marsha






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