[MD] The Arete Initiative

[MarshaV]

At 05:32 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote:
>Ian:
> > >Bob's style is indeed more wait and see. Whilst he
> > seems happy to
> > >cooperate / suggest pointers to anyone prepared to
> > interact with him
> > >on his terms - he's made it quite clear in Lila's
> > Child and in his
> > >words at the 2005 conference, that he is not into
> > "active public
> > >participation" himself - since his "celebrity" or
> > "authority" are
> > >counter-productive distractions.
>
>
>
>Marsha:
> > Are we being asked to accept that the attribute
> > "celebrity" exists,
> > while the "self" does not exist?
>
>
>SA:  Less than a minute ago, I finished listening to
>the Dali Lama discuss how the self does exist in his
>teaching of Dhammapada and the Jataka Tales comments
>found on the Dali Lama's website.  The website
>provides a free download of real player if one doesn't
>have it, for this download apparently is needed to
>watch video's or listen to audio's of the Dali Lama.
>Interesting site by the way, offers Dali Lama
>interviews on the recent China-Tibet relations and
>many of his teachings are archived.  His comments on
>self are in the second hour of the morning session
>video.  The first hour is more mantra oriented, which
>are very soothing:
>
>Dhammapada and the Jataka Tales
>Date: 22 February to 1 March 2008
>Venue: Main Temple, Dharamsala, India
>His Holiness the Dalai Lama's annual spring teaching
>on Dhammapada and the Jataka Tales.
>
>Link to referred teaching:
>
>http://dalailama.com/page.209.htm
>
>Link to Dali Lama's home page of his website:
>
>http://dalailama.com/

Oh Wanita, oh Wanita, oh Wanita, I call your name.



>SA continues:
>      The self is an analogy, as hard as a rock sitting
>on the earth.

Or as soft as a feather.  How about the self does not inherently 
exists?  How about it is empty?  How about it is a flowing stream of 
experience?


>Yet, this self has no boundaries, same
>as the rock has no boundaries for it to exist, the
>sustainment of the rock and self are dependent upon
>much else.  This is how a rock is an analogy of
>something more, but I'm not going to rehash these
>comments of mine.  This though, the boundlessness (no
>boundary) aspect of self is what what emptiness refers
>to.  Emptiness is form.  Form is emptiness.  Emptiness
>is firm.  Firm is empty.  It is about the boundaries
>being demolished - no separation, yet, distinctions
>remain alive and well.
>      The no-self refers to how the strict independent
>self does not exist.  Everything is co-dependent in
>origination.  The celebrity is a hardened, exclamation
>point, or emphasized (pick your analogy) view of
>patterns where the emphasis is strongly placed upon
>something in particular, in this respect, on Pirsig.
>This is also kin to the focus-field view where the
>celebrity is enhancing a field of patterns into focus,
>as one would focus telescope to zoom in on something
>closer.  How the self is loosened and the dynamic or
>empty is kept embedded, is kept in ones awareness is a
>process much like this as follows:
>
>      "The ten-thousand things are the Dao and what is
>the Dao, I don't know ten-thousand things, and what's
>that, I don't know too many to point out, it's
>endless."
>
>                   - SA (now)
>
>woods,
>SA


Thanks for the review.


Night,
    Marsha






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