[MD] The Arete Initiative

[Heather Perella]

Marsha:
> a middle way?

SA:  This is the middle way, unless this degenerates. 
That's how I get away with a self.  I understand this
middle way.


Marsha:
> Self: ever-changing collection of overlapping,
> interrelated, 
> inorganic, biological, social and intellectual,
> static patterns of 
> value.  I think this definition works.  It's a MOQ
> middle way between 
> the old conception of self as something independent
> & real, and no self.


SA:  Yes, this is why I see celebrity and self
working.


Marsha: 
> No self is to understand that the patterns are not
> real.  

SA:  By "not real", I take this to mean you are
talking the unrealness of static quality in the face
of dynamic quality.


Marsha:
> Some patterns are strong, some patterns are weak,
but
> none are real.

SA:  Yes, the intensity of the patterns gathering at
any one point to assert a particular, describable
action.

Marsha:
> They dissolve and change from moment to moment.  A
very,
> very strong 
> pattern is the idea that there exists within me a
> "real" self.  Most 
> social and intellectual patterns are in some way
> predicated or 
> connect to this self-pattern.

SA:  Realness in the sense you are using seems to be
describing an evolutionary way of, well, describing. 
I'm overlapping patterns of my own in trying to
cultivate further upon what you said here.  This is
why I say a rock is an analogy.  How about earth is an
analogy of dq for in some billion odd years the earth
will be gone, fried by the sun.

Marsha:
> You ask me to justify writing a representative of
> the government.  

SA:  Justify, in the sense, of 'show me your
reasoning'.

Marsha:
> And I do not know how to explain this. 
> I am trapped 
> somewhere between "real self" and "no self".  I know
> 'no self' 
> sometimes, and sometimes I fall back to the "real
> self" pattern.  I 
> find a good strategy is to keep the MOQ middle way
> definition in mind 
> and analyze what is happening.

SA:  Writing a representative is a process of "real
self" and "no self".  It is already this way as long
as it is generative, which links up with the thread in
which Ian and I are mentioning the tipping point of
intellectualizing, either an intellectual pattern will
tip generatively or tip degeneratively, now to dig
deeper into this process of tipping.  I'm still
contemplating this.

Marsha:
> But I've got to confess, I have my 
> no-eye on no-self.

SA:  The eye of everything is on no-self due to
change/impermanence.

still blank,
SA


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