[MD] Science and the MOQ

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Platt

16 April you wrote:

Platt originally: 
> > > If the MOQ can't be an intellectual structure, what is it? 

Bo:
> > Yes, I have wrestled with this question and tried a lot "openings"
> > for instance this. If you are a true Christian (meaning not buying
> > any modern psycho-talk about it being a subjective faith)  what is
> > "Christendom"? Or what is "Islam" to a devoted muslim? It's the
> > reality you live in. Not any SOM-Aristotelian "theory about reality"
> > but in the Pirsigean "ordered universe" sense. 

Platt: 
> Would the German word "weltanschauung" be close to your concept?
> Webster defines it as "a comprehensive conception or apprehension of
> the world especially from a specific standpoint." 

Sure it's a "weltanschauung", but the problem is the notion that it 
is to be found somewhere inside itself.  In spite of the container 
metaphor the MOQ as an intellectual pattern has become dogma. 
It stems from Pirsig's deviation from his original definition of 
metaphysics as the most basic ordering of reality to the sudden 
retreat to a mere theory about reality.

And when at it. Does SOM "say" that it is a subject/object 
ordering of some X reality?  No, it doesn't, SOM is the very 
notion of an indefinable reality that we make up theories about, 
thus we see that Quality as indefinable and the MOQ a mere 
theory is a perpetuation of SOM. 


Bo