[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[Heather Perella]

Chris:
> ...this has 
> produced a tradition where the state is seen not as
> a unreachable, hostile 
> entity, but a part of peoples lives that is natural.
> This I think, and many 
> would agree, has to do with the democratic
> tradition. When the democratic 
> tradition is a natural thing that reaches down
> through all of society to 
> work at all levels people feel that they can affect
> the social patterns 
> around them, and so this democratic tradition is
> quite probably the most 
> important thing to explain the emergence of the
> Nordic Model.


SA:  This is where my apathy exists.  Not in politics
in general, but in politics that don't work anymore. 
Chris, you've outlined what I find missing in the U.S.
political arena, personally and I would guess many
others feel too since less than 50% of U.S. citizens
vote, and those that do vote do so because it is
considered their duty.  I would say the percentage of
voters that actually agree with their candidate of
choice is very low.  How many times do we hear that it
would be better to vote for such and such for they are
not as bad as such and such?  It's not about who can
actually do something of value that will impact the
country far reaching, but more about the lesser of two
evils style of political voting that seems to dominate
this U.S. culture.  
         It is the natural feel of politics that is
definitely missing I would agree.  The paradox of "We
the people" and therefore how can "we" not like the
way the gov't works, here Arlo, I point out that the
gov't entity is not pragmatic anymore and is out of
the hands of the people, seemingly, for I've not been
convinced whole-heartedly otherwise, unfortunately. 
The state seems "unreachable", but I wouldn't go as
far as to say "hostile".  The beauacracy of the U.S.
gov't seems not "we the people" anymore, but more "We
the gov't".  The gov't and people differ.  Ideally
that's what the constitution states, and "we the
people" have directed such a gov't to be such a way. 
It is this cultures embedded relations with $ and how
this style of $ profitering dictates how social
structure.  For instance, this culture is not family
orientated, economics is at the top of this culture's
full agenda.  Everything is economics centered, not
just 9 to 5, but our whole ties, how much gas we have
to visit the family, to do this and that, is about $
being the means to get us here or there.  
     I understand this is a very 'us v. them'
mentality, but I find this is the very deeply rooted
mentality that is embedded in this culture in so many
spheres that the moq is trying to release us from.  It
is not just intellectually that the moq can release us
from such s/o bondage for these intellectual patterns
are to play out in the field of experience that
everybody talks about here.  So, we can all think we
know the moq, and have moq intellectual patterns
experienced from time to time, but until these
intellectual patterns find root across the board in
all our experiences, we're going to see s/o patterns
coming right at us.

woods,
SA


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