[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

Hello SA

The US political system (the elector system etc) was built for just the 
reason to have a safety step between the large masses of the people (well, 
at that time large masses of the people meant white males, but still, it was 
radical at the time) so there was a way of steering clear of the feared "mob 
rule"  - they took the same safety precautions in France.

Today is a different world though, and the problems you outline, the way you 
feel about a democratic system may well be the most dangerous gumption trap 
we will face in this century. Because it's happening all over, and it 
reminds me of the 30's

Will return to this soon. Now; coffee.

Regards


> Chris:
>> ...this has
>> produced a tradition where the state is seen not as
>> a unreachable, hostile
>> entity, but a part of peoples lives that is natural.
>> This I think, and many
>> would agree, has to do with the democratic
>> tradition. When the democratic
>> tradition is a natural thing that reaches down
>> through all of society to
>> work at all levels people feel that they can affect
>> the social patterns
>> around them, and so this democratic tradition is
>> quite probably the most
>> important thing to explain the emergence of the
>> Nordic Model.


>
> SA:  This is where my apathy exists.  Not in politics
> in general, but in politics that don't work anymore.
> Chris, you've outlined what I find missing in the U.S.
> political arena, personally and I would guess many
> others feel too since less than 50% of U.S. citizens
> vote, and those that do vote do so because it is
> considered their duty.  I would say the percentage of
> voters that actually agree with their candidate of
> choice is very low.  How many times do we hear that it
> would be better to vote for such and such for they are
> not as bad as such and such?  It's not about who can
> actually do something of value that will impact the
> country far reaching, but more about the lesser of two
> evils style of political voting that seems to dominate
> this U.S. culture.
>         It is the natural feel of politics that is
> definitely missing I would agree.  The paradox of "We
> the people" and therefore how can "we" not like the
> way the gov't works, here Arlo, I point out that the
> gov't entity is not pragmatic anymore and is out of
> the hands of the people, seemingly, for I've not been
> convinced whole-heartedly otherwise, unfortunately.
> The state seems "unreachable", but I wouldn't go as
> far as to say "hostile".  The beauacracy of the U.S.
> gov't seems not "we the people" anymore, but more "We
> the gov't".  The gov't and people differ.  Ideally
> that's what the constitution states, and "we the
> people" have directed such a gov't to be such a way.
> It is this cultures embedded relations with $ and how
> this style of $ profitering dictates how social
> structure.  For instance, this culture is not family
> orientated, economics is at the top of this culture's
> full agenda.  Everything is economics centered, not
> just 9 to 5, but our whole ties, how much gas we have
> to visit the family, to do this and that, is about $
> being the means to get us here or there.
>     I understand this is a very 'us v. them'
> mentality, but I find this is the very deeply rooted
> mentality that is embedded in this culture in so many
> spheres that the moq is trying to release us from.  It
> is not just intellectually that the moq can release us
> from such s/o bondage for these intellectual patterns
> are to play out in the field of experience that
> everybody talks about here.  So, we can all think we
> know the moq, and have moq intellectual patterns
> experienced from time to time, but until these
> intellectual patterns find root across the board in
> all our experiences, we're going to see s/o patterns
> coming right at us.
>
> woods,
> SA
>
>
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