[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[Platt Holden]

> > [Krimel]
> > There are all kinds of ways you could be self sufficient.
> 
> [Platt]
> Oh? Name a few. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> You could gather nuts and berries in the forest. You could hunt.

If on my own property, taxes. If not, trespass. 

>You could
> farm.

Property taxes.

>You could barter.

Income taxes.


> You could earn less that the minimum taxable income
> and do any or all of these.

Now you're talking. Become a moocher and live off other's work. Of course, 
I would lose all self-respect. But what the hell?

> > [Krimel]
> > As a free person you choose to engage in the economic system
> >. You choose to play the game and you choose to submit to the rules.
> 
> [Platt]
> The economic system is part of the social level. Are we not all a part of
> that level whether we like it or not, just as we are part of the biological
> and inorganic levels? 
> 
> [Krimel]
> As a citizen of the US aren't you free to choose? Why do you choose and then
> whine about it? 

Choices against biological forces are extremely limited. That's why 
societies were set up in the first place, to overcome those forces. Still 
haven't figured how to cheat death, but maybe in the future . . .

> [Platt]
> Oh yeah. How come the income tax form on the signature line begins, "Under
> penalties of perjury . . ."
> 
> [Krimel]
> One more time... If you freely choose to play the game you freely choose to
> submit to the rules. Perjury is not a crime that is punishable by force
> requiring guns or violence here but in your world apparently the rules or
> different.

If you don't believe me, refuse to pay the fine for perjury and see what 
happens.  

> [Platt]
> Resistance need not be violent to see the guns on the hips of the officers
> of the court.
> 
> [Krimel]
> When was the last time you heard about a bailiff shooting anyone, even
> lawyers or liars who probably deserve it? The guns are used to deter the use
> of force and to respond to violence. If you choose to be violent you will
> incur their use. But there is not a single law in the US that authorizes a
> police office to shoot someone for not paying taxes or to take a citizen's
> property. This is just hyperbole on your part and not very effective
> hyperbole at that.

Obviously you haven't read about people who refuse to pay taxes and 
barricade themselves in their homes against the imposition of the law. Nor 
have you heard of people thrown in jail for evasion of income tax.  

> [Platt]
> No. The situation was worse under Roosevelt who you leftists believe sits on
> the right hand of God. And now what do the libs propose -- higher taxes and
> more spending!
> 
> [Krimel]
> The only president elected to three terms of office. Weren't you the one
> touting the wisdom of the people in electing your lot of fools? Tax and
> spend at least makes more economic sense than borrow and spend.

I'll grant you both points. Except to reduce both taxes and spending makes 
the most economic sense. 

Platt