[MD] Science and the MOQ

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>:

> > [Krimel]
> > Science is threatened by religion? That's news. Name a single instance of 
> > a conflict between them that religion has won.
> 
> [Platt]
> The realm of the spirit not to mention morality. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> So religion wins hands down when science takes no interest? I have found at
> red lights that my little Yaris kicks the crap out of Corvettes, BMWs and
> Mercedes all the time when only I know we are racing. 

I have no idea what you're talking about. 

> [Platt]
> But as to threats, why is science so defensive about religion if it 
> doesn't feel threatened by it? Take Dawkins, for example.
> 
> [Krimel]
> Since you are so well read on Dawkins perhaps you could provide some
> examples from his work.

"The God Delusion."


> In the mean time here is an example given by Dawkins: Albert Einstein who
> was ridiculed and reviled by believers for saying that he did not believe in
> a personal God. If he felt threatened it was certainly not the threat of
> higher intellect. It would been fear of being beset by idiots:
> 
> "An American Roman Catholic lawyer, working on behalf of an ecumenical
> coalition, wrote to Einstein:
> 'We deeply regret that you made your statement . . . in which you ridicule
> the idea of a personal God. In the past ten years nothing has been so
> calculated to make people think that Hitler had some reason to expel the
> Jews from Germany as your statement.'"
> 
> "A New York rabbi said: 'Einstein is unquestionably a great scientist, but
> his religious views are diametrically opposed to Judaism.'"
> 
> "The president of a historical society in New Jersey wrote...
> 'We respect your learning, Dr Einstein; but there is one thing you do not
> seem to have learned: that God is a spirit and cannot be found through the
> telescope or microscope, no more than human thought or emotion can be found
> by analyzing the brain. As everyone knows, religion is based on Faith, not
> knowledge.'"
> 
> "the Founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association in Oklahoma:
> Professor Einstein, I believe that every Christian in America will answer
> you, 'We will not give up our belief in our God and his son Jesus Christ,
> but we invite you, if you do not believe in the God of the people of this
> nation, to go back where you came from.' I have done everything in my power
> to be a blessing to Israel, and then you come along and with one statement
> from your blasphemous tongue, do more to hurt the cause of your people than
> all the efforts of the Christians who love Israel can do to stamp out
> anti-Semitism in our land. Professor Einstein, every Christian in America
> will immediately reply to you, 'Take your crazy, fallacious theory of
> evolution and go back to Germany where you came from, or stop trying to
> break down the faith of a people who gave you a welcome when you were forced
> to flee your native land.'
> 
> Finally here is one that should be near and dear to your heart:
> 
> "Other Catholic clergymen chimed in: 'There is no other God but a personal
> God . . . Einstein does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong.
> Some men think that because they have achieved a high degree of learning in
> some field, they are qualified to express opinions in all.'"

What's your point?


> > [Krimel]
> > Even if I granted your list and let you add the Piltdown man and cold
> > fusion, the internet with all its storage could not contain the list of
> > wrong answers provided by people who didn't know what they were talking
> > about. But these are the people you run to first. 
> 
> [Platt]
> What wrong answers? Given by whom? Who named you infallible? 
> 
> [Krimel]
> Ok, this has to be my half dozenth post. I could be wrong. Help me out here
> and give me some examples of people who don't know what they are talking
> about and yet turn out to be right. Besides you that is. After all we are
> only half way there in your case.

Say what? You're beginning to spout gibberish. 

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