[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

pholden at davtv.com pholden at davtv.com
Wed Apr 23 12:39:23 PDT 2008


Quoting Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>:

> > [Krimel]
> > You remind me of Jesus' parable of the sheep and the goats:
> > 
> > "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he
> > will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered
> > before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd
> > separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and
> > the goats on his left. 
> >  
> > "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed 
> > by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since 
> > the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to 
> > eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger 
> > and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and
> 
> > you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 
> > 
> > "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and
> > feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you 
> > a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did 
> > we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 
> > 
> > "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of 
> > the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 
> > 
> > "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are 
> > cursed,into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I 
> > was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me 
> > nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed 
> > clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did 
> > not look after me.' 
> > 
> > "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a
> > stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 
> > 
> > "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of
> > the least of these, you did not do for me.' 
> > 
> > "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to 
> > eternal life."
> 
> [Platt]
> It's really hilarious that you, an avowed atheist, would turn to Jesus for 
> moral guidance.
> 
> [Krimel]
> I don't think the truth of Jesus' words is derived from divine authority.
> You have never heard me be critical of what the man said. I find much of
> what he said profound and inspirational. What many say about what he said is
> a different matter.
> 
> On the other hand it is curious that you who professes, if not to believe in
> him, to support those who claim to do so; would ignore what he says. You
> espouse a political philosophy that is in direct opposition to Jesus'
> gospel. It seems that those who want to wrap themselves in his mantle have
> no problem with this. Now that is hysterical, in a clinical if not humorous
> way.

Just as I suspected. You missed the whole point of the MOQ. You fit Pirsig's
description to a tee:

"To answer him you have to go all the way back to fundamental meanings of what is
meant by morality and in this culture there aren't any fundamental meanings of
morality. There are only old traditional social and religious meanings and these
don't have any real intellectual base. They're just traditions." (Lila, 7)



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