[MD] Dynamic Development at all costs?

[Heather Perella]

Krimel,


     You know what's going to happen next.  Platt will
argue Pirsig against Pirsig.  Sounds a bit schizo or
split-personality.  Where I used to work their was
this male teen that used to go into the Time Out Area
on his own or by a staff asking him or physically
taking him and he would have conversation with
himself, well, in the mental world he was talking with
another person having debates with him, arguing, and
talking himself out of doing things to others, such as
punching them, etc...  He was pretty screwed up.  I
walked in the residential unit one night and heard
this person going back and forth in a conversation and
I asked the staff who was in the TO area with the
resident.  They said it was only the resident.  He did
this on an almost daily routine.  I've heard about it
and read about it, but that was the first I actually
was near somebody that experienced such a... split
experience. 


> > > [Krimel]
> > > You could try the paragraph above. I know there
> are a few big words there.
> > > Try sounding them out. Notice the part about
> "Then one doesn't seek the
> > > absolute Truth." And the part about "One can
> then examine intellectual
> > > realities the same way one examines paintings in
> an art gallery, not with 
> > > an effort to find out which one is the 'real'
> painting, but simply to 
> > > enjoy and keep those that are of value."
> > 
> > [Platt]
> > Those excerpts say nothing about truth cannot be
> known. You see things that
> > aren't there. I think they call that
> hallucinating. 
> > 
> > [Krimel]
> > I am neither an expert on nor an advocate for
> postmodernity but as I
> > understand it, the crux of the matter is that it
> challenges the idea that
> > Truth or and absolute reality can be known. That
> is exactly what Pirsig says
> > here, "Then one doesn't seek the absolute Truth."
> It would seem to be front
> > and center with his conception of Quality as
> fundamentally indefinable. It
> > is not that "truth" can not be known it is that
> "Truth" can not be known.
> > 
> > > [Krimel]
> > > This is a really like postmodern argument here
> coming from an English
> > > teacher... Is this starting to come together for
> you now? That last bit is
> > > the part that means that if HipHop floats your
> boat it's as good as
> > > Shakespeare. Especially, if you don't really
> care much for Shakespeare.
> > 
> > [Platt]
> > Try this to bring you back from Disneyland to
> reality. "The tests of truth 
> > are logical consistency, agreement with
> experience, and economy of 
> > explanation." (Lila, 8) If you don't get it at
> first, write it out 100 
> > times. Oh, I forgot. Writing is difficult for you.
> 
> > 
> > [Krimel]
> > He also makes it clear that there is not just one
> way to pass these tests.
> > Sometimes we grade on a curve and often we judge
> on purely aesthetic
> > criteria as in, "One can then examine intellectual
> realities the same way
> > one examines paintings in an art gallery, not with
>  an effort to find out
> > which one is the 'real' painting, but simply to
> enjoy and keep those that
> > are of value."
> > 
> > Does it hurt you to find that Pirsig might
> actually be an evil
> > postmodernist?
> 
> What hurts is your apparent belief that a
> postmodernist statement like "It's true
> there is no Truth" is a high quality intellectual
> pattern. It's self-
> contradictory and thus profoundly incoherent. But,
> logic is apparently something
> you can take or leave at your convenience.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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