[MD] What is the MOQ?

[skutvik at online.no]

Krimel/Case.

On 24 April you wrote:

Bo before:
> > Try to muster your logic. The DQ/SQ dualism STARTS WITH 
> > THE SAID SPLIT, no Quality before this division and no such  
> > are still sitting atop of it all. You see this trick exposed in case of
> > SOM (on page 243 in my ZMM) where Pirsig makes it look like a "reality"
> > is ahead of the subject/object-division. This is wrong, it's directly
> > S/O-divided, no reality before or afterwards.      
> > And this is about all, try to concentrate on these points. 

> [Krimel]
> I think this might be at the heart of why we don't talk much. You
> think I don't 'get' the MoQ and I think you are just blowing smoke up
> your own ass. You are seeing the world carved up in Venn diagrams, as
> sets neatly parsed with interlocking circles. You see self containing
> boxes stacked like Russian dolls. 

I must have found the Archimedes point that shifted the ground 
under you, This has happened before, Matt Kundert struck me 
from his list after my MOQ -derived explanation of how SOM's 
illusion of (a) mind emerged, he protected his pride by claiming 
that it was impossible to discuss with me. DMB left the scene 
after the Newton argument that removed the Quality outside the 
MOQ fallacy.  

Krimel:
> You want things in black and white, in this and that, neat categories
> of slips filed in a trays. I agree with you whole heartedly that
> Pirsig misses the point but we don't agree at all on the points he
> misses. If you are at all interested in how I see the MoQ, which I
> suspect you are not but what the heck, all you have to do is watch
> this video.

The MOQ is a most neat and categorical ordering of existence 
along the DQ/DQ split (white) and a total break with the S/O one 
(black) but the latter must find a place within MOQ's static range 
(there's no metaphysical trash can) Pirsig postulates a method 
where the two lower levels are objective and the two upper are 
subjective, but this fails at several points.  Had he followed up on 
ZAMM  where "intellect" is the S/O very split all would have been 
fine. But all this you possibly know, please tell me how you see 
Pirsig missing points. 

  
Bo