[MD] WHY MoQ IS PARALYzED

[Platt Holden]

> > [Platt]
> > You have a narrow definition of socialism. Basically, socialism is a
> > system that forces one person to care for another. The key word -- forces.

> > [Krimel]
> > I don't find your definition anywhere but in you posts. It seems a bit
> > narrow and targeted. Where did you get it?
 
> [Platt]
> I created it. 
 
> [Krimel]
> The more I look at your "reasoned arguments" and the sources you provide the
> more of this I see. 

All concepts are created by someone.  

> > [Platt]
> > Are you saying multiculturism isn't being taught in government schools?
> > [Krimel] I don't know that's why I am asking you to provide examples.
> > [Platt] Are you suggesting that government schools aren't teaching that
> > government programs to "help" the poor are good?. [Krimel] I don't know
> > that's why I am asking you to provide examples. [Platt] Are you suggesting
> > multiculturism doesn't teach equality of cultures? [Krimel] I don't know
> > that's why I am asking you to provide examples.

> [Platt]
> For starters, try: http://books.google.com/books?id=XCtG7O5EScgC
 
> [Krimel]
> That is not much but ifs the best you can do, I read as much as Google would
> allow and what I got was that the author makes a distinction between
> multiculturalism and multicultural education. He denounces the former and
> supports the later.
> 
> Multicultural education teaches about the contributions various groups have
> made to American culture. It teaches students to appreciate diversity and
> promotes understanding of others.
> 
> Multiculturalism, as he describes it and as you understand it, seems to be a
> right wing boogeyman. A made up term something like socialism as you define
> it. 
> 
> But maybe you have other examples that could provide more clarity.

Seems clear enough to me. From the author's text: "One Marxist concept 
operative in multiculturism is its belief that all inequalities, including 
cultural inequality, is evil. Thus, in the eyes of multiculturists all  
cultures are to be equally valued."  

> [Platt]
> Not if they involve discrimination on the basis of race, like Affirmative
> Action programs.
 
> [Krimel]
> Racism has taken a terrible toll on this country an efforts to end it have
> been complicated and painful. Affirmative Action programs of one sort or
> another have been championed by presidents, congressional majority and
> supreme court appointees of both parties including Nixon and Raygun. This is
> not a simplistic matter that lends itself to absolutes or sloganeering.

I do not favor programs that discriminate on the basis of race. Apparently, 
you do. You cannot end racial discrimination by engaging in racial 
discrimination.  

> [Platt]
> Depends what you mean by "war profiteering." Government seizure of profits
> is tantamount to nationalizing. 
 
> [Krimel]
> War profiteering means profiting improperly from warfare.

What constitutes "improper" profiting from warfare? 

> Taxing these
> profits or any other profits for that matter is in no way "tantamount to
> nationalizing" unless of course you have your own definitions for these
> terms as well.

If the government confiscates all the profits from a company wouldn't
you call that a takeover by the government? If not, what has to happen for 
a company to be nationalized? 
 
> [Platt]
> You call $5 trillion tiny? And no improvement in the poverty rates is 
> "mission accomplished?" You're kidding, right?
> 
> [Krimel]
> No I'm not but it sounds like you are making up numbers. $5 trillion dollar?
> What hat are you pulling that rabbit out of? Whatever hat it is you must be
> sitting on it.

You doubt the figure? Show that it's wrong, if you can. Or eat your hat.   

> > [Krimel]
> > So you would want to emphasize how these other countries continued to pay
> > the cost of modern civilization throughout the 20th century, right?
> 
> [Platt]
> No. I would want to emphasize that slavery was an accepted practice in most
> countries until recently, and it is was Western civilization that put an end
> to it except in a few places.
> 
> [Krimel]
> Slavery wasn't practiced in any of the countries you mentioned before. But
> you would be willing to acknowledge the similarity between the genocide of
> Native Americans and the atrocities of the 20th century?

What countries are you referring to? As for similarities -- in kind, yes, 
in scale no. Do you agree Western civilization was responsible for ending 
slavery? Or do you prefer not to answer?

> [Platt]
> Shall we discuss how government mandates about ethanol are causing food
> shortages and riots?   
> 
> [Krimel]
> I don't know anything about that but I notice that Ralph Nader opposes these
> mandates. You must be pleased to find yourself in such good company.

I am indeed. When Ralph or Hillary or Obama are right, I'll agree with 
them. I would hope you would do the same with  McCain, O'Reilly or 
Limbaugh. But, I won't hold my breath.  

 
 
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