[MD] Sickness and Death

Joseph Maurer jhmau at sbcglobal.net
Wed Apr 30 15:22:49 PDT 2008 

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 SA writes to Joe:

<snip>

So we all stood looking at him.  Him staring
back.  Love you's given.  I kept saying to him to
focus on the quiet. We had talked about this
quietness many times before.  I said to him to settle
in what he felt was peace and quiet... focus on the
quiet.  A few moments had passed in quiet, and then he
began to act as if he was choking.

<snip>

Hi SA:

Thank you!  For your words of empathy!  ³A sadness with crying in my heart
in reading this. Not in a suffering way, I add.² Right back at you!
 
I snipped a paragraph because I also recognize a ³quiet² place.  I sing in a
Church Choir. Sometimes after the service a person will stop by to say
³Thanks!² if we sing from a place of quietness. IMO the metaphysics of a
³quiet² place are found in a Conscious/Mechanical division for Evolution.
Evolution is both Conscious/Mechanical or only Conscious.  Two Levels of
Conscious evolution alone, separate from five levels of conscious/mechanical
evolution are undefined, accessible only to an individual in quietness.
Their content makes accessible to an individual superlative characteristics
of conscious expression like Love and Joy.  IMO ³quiet² is a pathway to the
two Conscious levels of evolution, ³higher-emotional²,
³higher-intellectual².  MOQ is a meta-level in a ³higher-emotional²
evolution.

Joe



On 4/29/08 2:52 PM, "Heather Perella" <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
>      A sadness with crying in my heart in reading
> this.  Not in a suffering way, I add.
>      I remember standing in the hospital room with my
> father lying in the bed.  My brother and mother
> standing with us.  My father had passed into a
> semi-conscious state.  He could look with his eyes and
> suggest communications.  He looked around at us, and
> we said how we loved him.  We were just talking to him
> in the room downstairs, but he had suddenly fallen
> into this state in which they rushed him into this
> room so they could better treat him.  He had seemed
> fine, and it had seemed the worst had passed not too
> long ago.  We all stared at each other.  I knew my
> father had said to me about four days earlier that he
> was going to die shortly.  I asked him how he knew.
> He said he had wondered about this in others, but now
> he knew, he just had this notion that it was his time.
>  He was tired, very tired he had said.
>      So we all stood looking at him.  Him staring
> back.  Love you's given.  I kept saying to him to
> focus on the quiet.  We had talked about this
> quietness many times before.  I said to him to settle
> in what he felt was peace and quiet... focus on the
> quiet.  A few moments had passed in quiet, and then he
> began to act as if he was choking.  A tube passing
> oxygen was going down his nose.  The nurse, I remember
> vividly, said that sometimes people don't accept the
> tubes very well and that he was probably discomforted
> by the tube.  He made a choking sound again.  Then
> blood came out of his nose.  My mothers screamed.  The
> nurses escorted us out of the room asking us to go out
> in the waiting room so we wouldn't get in the way.
> They nursing staff was running into the room.
> Machines beaping.  We waited, not very long, the
> doctor came out.  He had died.
> 
> O     O
> `  ^
> `---
> `
> SA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe:
>> What would be dying? I have always surmised that the
>> social level is the
>> level of proprietary awareness (consciousness).
>> When Louise lay dying her
>> moan as I inserted a pain pill lasted till the very
>> end.  Though she was at
>> home she was still hooked up to life-support tubes:
>> nasal-gastro tube,
>> oxygen tube, nutrition tube.  As I looked at her, I
>> thought what is she
>> fighting for? She swallowed, she removed the oxygen
>> tube, she pulled at the
>> nutrition tube. My answer was: with all the
>> paraphernalia connected she
>> could not feel empty.  The nasal tube was
>> particularly upsetting because to
>> keep a vacuum valve above her head the mechanism
>> provided no Chromed bracket
>> so I fashioned one out of a coat hanger.  I received
>> many words of
>> displeasure about a coat hanger.  It was not
>> conducive to feeling empty.
>> 
>> After three weeks the feeling of emptiness seemed to
>> me was the most
>> important thing to achieve.  I had the hospice nurse
>> remove the nasal-gastro
>> tube, remove the oxygen harness from under her nose,
>> remove the feeding
>> tube. After that was accomplished, though she was
>> recently medicated, she
>> passed within 12 minutes.  Before she was covered I
>> looked at her. There was
>> no disapproval on her face at a coat-hanger bracket
>> or anything. Her face
>> looked totally calm and at rest.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/29/08 3:21 AM, "MarshaV" <marshalz at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Is this to be the next topic?  There is a
>> technique which is to
>>> practice imagined dying.  Aren't living and dying
>> two sides to the
>>> same coin?  Isn't this a topic that invokes great
>> discomfort and
>>> fear?  What would be dying?  Intellectual
>> patterns?  Social
>>> patterns?  Biological patterns?  Hmm.  Inorganic
>> patterns?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> At 07:13 PM 4/28/2008, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>      When you are strong and healthy,
>>>>      You never think of sickness coming,
>>>>      But it descends with sudden force
>>>>      Like a stroke of lightning.
>>>> 
>>>>      When involved in worldly things,
>>>>      You never think of death's approach;
>>>>      Quick it comes like thunder
>>>>      Crashing round your head.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                      by Milarepa
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> raining again,
>>>> SA
>> 
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