[MD] Reet and the Weakest Link

[MarshaV]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Reet and the Weakest Link


>
> Marsha, Platt, Ron --
>
> [Ron]:
>> The truth is only known to you.  It's about developing that within 
>> yourself,
>> not a concrete definition that is universally agreed upon.
>
> [Platt]:
>> But as you know, Buddhists and others here and elsewhere
>> claim the "self" is just an illusion.  I guess this means anything
>> you-the-illusion believe to be true is also just an illusion.
>
> [Marsha]:
>> Not an illusion.  Self is empty of inherent existence.
>> That the self is an independent entity is an illusion.
>
> The truth is that the individual is being-aware.
> The "being" of the individual is dependent on existence.
> The "knower" of existence is the Self.
> That "Self is empty of inherent existence" suggests that it IS an 
> independent entity.
>
> Where the "illusion" lies depends on what you consider to be "real".
> If Existence is real to you, then the Self (knower) is the illusion.
> If the Knower is your reality, Existence (being) is the illusion.
> In either case, an entity that is only "part real" does not qualify as the 
> fundamental reality.
>
> Now, dear Pirsig fans, here comes the $25,000 question ...
>
> Is Quality (Value) inherent to Existence, or to the Knower?
> Does its existence depend on being, or is its reality dependent on the 
> Knower?
> If Value is dependent on being, then the Knower (self) cannot be moral.
> If Value is dependent on the Knower, Existence (being) cannot be moral.
> If it is independent of both, Value cannot be known or realized.
>
> Essentially yours,
> Ham
>



Ham,

I'd say correlative and interdependent

Marsha