[MD] Social Level- Catholic Social Teaching

Krimel Krimel at Krimel.com
Fri Aug 1 22:41:32 PDT 2008


[Bo]
Moses came down from the mountain with commandments, among those one 
of not killing, but once his people (their cause) were threatened 
killing became the first commandment. Still is, and one aspect of 
MOQ's immense explanatory power is how murder can be hailed 
in one instance and condemned the next. This enigma NO 
metaphysics has solved before it.

[Krimel]
The Mosaic Law provides and injunction against murder. The idea that killing
an enemy in battle can be in anyway equated with murder is a relatively
modern notion and certainly not universally held among Jews or Christians.

[Bo]
Don't get me wrong, Catholicism is of course intellect-influenced, 
yet Christendom has its root in the social pattern known as 
Judaism. My idea is that Jesus was a sensitive antenna who 
picked up the Greek intellectual (SOM) signals through the 
Romans and his words about the (Mosaic) Law existing for 
mankind's sake - not the other way round -  is intellectual value 
taking leave of social value, In Judaism and Islam humans only 
have value to the degree they accept the (respective) holy Law 
books, and because this is God (-given), Jesus' really took leave 
of this Semitic kind of god as well. Not directly, but this rebellion 
came to be modern Christendom's nucleus and the moment a holy 
text/law becomes subject to scientific or interpreted in light of the 
times its back is broken.   

[Krimel]
Why do you keep spouting this kind of nonsense. Jesus was no doubt familiar
with Greek culture as it was expressed in the culture of the occupying
Romans. But the Jews had a long standing antipathy toward the Greeks as a
result of the Maccabean Revolt against the Greek occupiers in 167 BC. Jesus
was no friend of the Romans and did nothing to reconcile Jews and Romans. He
was involved in a general uprising in Jerusalem during the Passover that
resulted in his execution. Little is available about the events of his death
outside of the Christian scriptures but his execution in the early 30s AD
was part of a general culture clash that culminated in the near
extermination of the Jews. The Jewish War of 70 AD resulted in the
scattering of the Jews out of Israel and across the globe. Both Christianity
and Rabbinic Judaism grew out of and resulted from that disaster. 

There is nothing to suggest that Jesus was at odds with "Judaism" He did
seem to have a beef with the priests who managed the temple but this was
mainly because the priest were appointed by and under the thumb of the
Romans. There is almost nothing that can be authoritatively attributed to
Jesus that is at odds with or outside of the mainstream of Judaism at his
time. 

By the way, the interpretation of scripture in light of the present is a
technique known s pesher. Some of the first examples of this are to be found
among the Dead Sea scrolls in a commentary on Obadiah.

You keep repeating the same incorrect views over and over again. I could
recommend a few books to correct these deficiencies in your accounts of
early Christian history if you like. Otherwise find some other example. The
Zuni brujo was equally misrepresented by Pirsig but at least that bit of
history is less well documented.





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