[MD] Tit's

[MarshaV]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Platt Holden" <plattholden at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Tit's


> [Marsha]
>> In recent years our understanding and control of the external world have
>> increased enormously.  There has been a remarkable increase in material
>> progress.  I grant you that.   Yet there has not been a similar increase
>> in
>> human happiness.  There is no less suffering in the world.  There are no
>> fewer problems.  If anything there is more suffering and more unhappiness
>> than ever.  I think there is a basic flaw in the way we understand the
>> world.  And that is where I believe the MOQ's value lies.  It's in a new
>> understanding of the world.  Where science is certainly beautiful, it is
>> changing the conceptual framework that the West most needs.
>
> Hi Marsha,
>
> Yes -- and yes again. It's the inability of science to say anything
> scientific about values that is the basic flaw, resulting, as Pirsig put
> it:
>
> "Each individual in his cell of isolation was told that no matter how hard
> he tried, no matter how hard he worked, his whole life is that of an 
> animal
> that lives and thinks like any other animal. He could invent moral goals
> for himself, but they are just artificial inventions. Scientifically
> speaking he has no goals." (Lila, 22)
>
> Except according to science we do have one goal: replicating ourselves.
> Oops. My mistake. It's not "we." It's our genes who have a one track mind.
>

Hi Platt,

It's more than that.  It's that science, and the things it studies, are just 
reflections of existing conceptual patterns.  Of course they are altered by 
Dynamic Quality.  And some of these patterns work perfectly well.  But they 
are what they are: conceptual patterns.  Ever-changing, collections of 
overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual 
static patterns of value.   Not reflections of things-in-themselves, but 
conceptual patterns.  Today's scientific goal seems to be power and/or 
celebrity.  In one sense it's just a more sophisticated religion.  If I 
state out loud what I think about the medical branch of science, see I 
quickly I get called a heretic.

Marsha