[MD] Virtue, Superoirity and excellence.

[Joseph Maurer]

"Superoirity and excellence!  Come On?

Joe


On 8/4/08 1:14 PM, "Ron Kulp" <RKulp at ebwalshinc.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>> [Ron]
>>> VIRTUE
>>> 
>>> or SOM Good.
>>> 
>>> or superiority.
>>> 
>>> The four cardinal (hinge) virtues are Justice, Courage, Wisdom, and
>>> Moderation.
> 
> 
> [Ron]
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue
>> 
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=virtue
>> 
>> search the terms as they refer to Greek thought
>> if it is not enough. But I think you will find similar
>> definitions.
> 
> In view of the references you cite, how do you interpret this quote?
> 
> "To answer him you have to go all the way back to fundamental meanings of
> what is meant by morality and in this culture there aren't any fundamental
> meanings of morality. There are only old traditional social and religious
> meanings and these don't have any real intellectual base. They're just
> traditions." (Lila, 7)
> 
> To me it appears Pirsig dismisses what the Greeks had to say about
> morality. Either that or in his opinion 1) "this culture" ignores what the
> Greeks said, or 2) what the Greeks said wasn't intellectual.
> 
> What do you think he means?
> 
> Ron:
> Good question, by way of support from his conclusion that arête is Quality,
> I would say that 1) "this culture" ignores what the Greeks said.
> 
> "this culture" values objectivity (what Bo calls intellect) more than
> "excellence". In fact it mistakes objectivity with excellence. You had
> your finger on it Platt, This is where Academia splits with wisdom.
> This when intellectualism functions without social excellence.
> If the intellectual level emerges from the social then it seems
> reasonable that the highest social patterns would be the basis
> for a Quality intellectual pattern, ie excellence per the Greek
> definition. Which is what Pirsig proposes with Quality.
> 
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