[MD] Gun smoke in the shape of a fake letter and not a mushroom cloud

[Ian Glendinning]

But my point was (as you well know DMB) the very opposite ... to
WRONGLY identify the problem in terms of one man or not. I'm not
saying choose the Messiah or not, I'm saying "wrong question" - the
system is giving us the wrong choice. (But given that choice I
undoubtedly make the same choice as you.)

I know what frustrates you ... it frustrates most of the world .....
and I actually like that you are passionate in taking it up .... just
don't shoot the messenger, comment on the actual words. If you're
agreeing, paraphrasing is fine, if you're disagreeing or (as you often
say), not understanding what I'm saying, then please be careful to
address what I actually say ... not what you assume I mean .... and
not me personally. OK.

My integrity is such that I do not intend to revert to tired old
SOMist argumentation (any more than I have to) - the easy way out -
but I have the patience, to respond, try-again as many times as you're
up for. It's the personal attacks I'm objecting to.

Ian

On 8/8/08, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Ian said to dmb:
> My fear is that if we wrongly identify the problem (and the solution as hope in one individual to save the world ... not without its own risks) any progress is fragile and temporary.
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> Platt said:
> ...The Messiah has come. Let us all worship the messiah. But first, make sure your tires are properly inflated.
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> dmb said to Platt:
> Yea, that was pretty much what Ian said.
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> Ian replied:
> I said nothing of the sort. ...Please stop the ad-hominem attacks DMB.
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> dmb says:
> An individual who saves the world is NOT pretty much the same thing as a messiah? Is that your position? Is that what you're saying? I disagree. So does the dictionary.
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> I'm not saying the title of your autobiography ought to be THE AUDACITY OF DRIVEL. I'm sure you're a warm and wonderful human being with nothing but good intentions but these comments are nonsense. The contradiction is so obvious that your denial only insults my intelligence. Nothing of the sort? Ridiculous. An individual who saves the world is exactly what we mean by the word "messiah" and everybody knows it.
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> Trust me, I fully understand that you do not approve of it when I complain. And by now you've probably picked up on the fact that I do not approve when you post drivel. But notice which follows which. The drivel always comes first, otherwise there's nothing to complain about. You have to stop first, otherwise you're asking me to swallow huge piles of bullshit, like this obvious steamer for example. Otherwise you're asking me to pretend it makes sense or has some kind merit. That seems wrong and I won't do it.
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