[MD] What is SOM?

[Joseph Maurer]

On Sunday 10 August 2008 Gav answers Bo:
 
Hi Gav and all,

I have not studied Eastern thought extensively.  My impression is that it is
built on a fourfold metaphysics of Earth, Water, Air, Fire.  This structure
is embodied in Peasant, Merchant, Warrior, Priest.  What is defined and
undefined?

Metaphysics are used in the interpretation of reality around us.  I use
Dq/Sq.  IMO S/O is the intellectual level in that it evolved from the
Consciousness/Self-Awareness of the social level.  The emptiness of
undefined consciousness moved to defined slavery.  The intellectual level
evolved and the undefined is in the relationship in S/O.

I am aware in S/O. IMO Eastern thought proposes two levels beyond the
intellectual level, by proposing two levels beyond S/O of S only.  This is
mirrored in the writings of Plato, Augustine, John of the Cross, and Teresa
of Avila.  I like seven levels for the evolution of reality, since I like
music and the tonic scale becomes a model.

IMO The Enlightenment of Arjuna, by an Interpreter are evolution to levels
in S only. 

Joe


On 8/10/08 4:22 AM, "gav" <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> 
> 
> hiya,
> comments below
> 
>> 
>>> gav: where are we when we are in SOM?...we are in the
>> world of western
>>> industrial alienation. we are divorced from the ground
>> that gives meaning
>>> to our ideas, or to be more accurate SOM obfuscates or
>> devalues this
>>> ground of being.
>> 
> 
>  bo: 
> Yes, but the MOQ has no "Western industrial
>> alienation" level so
>> the question still stands. Pirsig says that the MOQ does
>> not abolish 
>> the S/O distinction so it must have a place inside the MOQ,
>> and - 
>> as in my well known opinion - it's the intellectual
>> level, everything
>> points to such an interpretation.
> 
> gav: SOM is/was the dominant 'operating system' or paradigm of western
> intellect. 
> in the east i think we cannot say this....but surely they have intellect bo.
> therefore SOM cannot be equated with the intellectual level. QED.
> 
> 
>> 
> 
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