[MD] What is SOM?

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Ron

12 Aug. you wrote:

> Damn Dave, when it clicks.. it clicks!.. I've tried to explained
> this to Bo that SOL is remaking MoQ into another form of, and what
> you rightly point out as, what amounts to essentialism (in the
> traditional sense) and that ultimately its superfluous to the
> understanding of the rejection of essentialism In fact it confuses
> the issue. 

"Essence" is created by SOM as the innermost OBJECTIVE reality 
opposed to what only appears. To Plato it was IDEAS as opposed 
to shadows (the Cave example)  to Aristotle it was SUBSTANCE 
opposed to form.  

DMB had said:

    I'm talking about SOM and essentialism. These are not 
    identical. SOM is a kind of essentialism, but there are other 
    kinds, although the former is usually a subset of the latter. I 
    say "usually" because the MOQ retains SOM in a non- 
    essentialist way.   

and I believe he says the same as me, particularly about the MOQ 
retaining SOM in a non-essential way.   

>  I've tried to explained this to Bo that SOL is remaking MoQ into
> another form of, and what you rightly point out as, what amounts to
> essentialism.

As suspected, you never understood the SOL which says that the 
S/O distinction is MOQ's intellectual level, thus essentialism is only 
part of its 4th. level, not of the MOQ that has a totally different 
metaphysical slash. Thus the S/O is retained (as DMB says) in a 
non-essentialist way. Get it?     

Ron ctd:
> Because Bo equates ontology with intellect, he sees MoQ as an
> evolutionary step intellectually. Which calls the whole level system
> into question and all the fuss about a 5th level and all sorts of
> explanations to accommodate it. 

I don't equate ontology with the 4th. level as such. The 
phenomenal/ontological (seeming/real) pair is a SOM variety and 
as such part of the  4th. level's repertoire. 

"Fuss about about a 5th level". I simply claim that the MOQ is the 
metaphysics that has intellect as a subset, consequently it can't be 
an intellectual pattern. This makes the MOQ a "meta-level". Try 
logic for a change.    

Bo