[MD] What is SOM?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hei Magnus

14 Aug. u wrote:

> Hi Bo
 
> > "Fuss about about a 5th level". I simply claim that the MOQ is the
> > metaphysics that has intellect as a subset, consequently it can't be
> > an intellectual pattern. This makes the MOQ a "meta-level". Try
> > logic for a change.    
 
> So, according to your logic, you wouldn't be able to think about a
> thought, or to be self-conscious?

For the umpteenth time the 4th. level is NOT thinking. Where is 
our agreement from long ago when we arrived at the conclusion 
that storing, retrieving and manipulation of previous experience 
through logical gates is something from deep inside the biological 
level and that animals are capable of "thinking" in this sense - 
something they actually are - and SOM incapable of explaining this 
with its pompous "consciousness" even the butter-on-pork "self-
consciousness".    

As said if the MOQ uses this basic thinking as definition it's lost. 
As tried to convey to Ron people from/at the logical level (where 
emotions dominate) think motivated by emotions and possibly find 
reason for their conclusions, but thinking at the intellectual level is 
all about arriving at "objective" conclusions. My dictionary say 
"distancing oneself from emotions and INSTINCTS, but the latter 
is biology and no one is fooled by that, however EMOTIONS 
(social level) is the great temptation because SOM has no social 
level.

I don't know if this will make things any clearer, there is obviously 
some insurmountable obstacle between the MOQ and you ;-) 

Bo