[MD] Falling out of Time/Space

[Joseph Maurer]

Hi Krimel 

IMO Evolution is an order in existence.  Energy, Time, Space are an order of
manifestation S/O.  IMO a further evolution of S only beyond the
Intellectual level, enlightenment, could very well be out of time or space.

Joe

On 8/18/08 8:24 AM, "Krimel" <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:

> Wheeler's many worlds idea sort of goes with that but it is more like
> timestreams separate from each other at each quantum choice point. I'm not
> sure that each quantum particle is coherent enough across time to have it's
> own history, though. Plus from instant to instant aren't your biological
> patterns composed of different quantum particles?
> 
> After all what ever "identity" or "self" we have is in the pattern of
> particles and fields, not the particles or fields themselves. Well, it least
> unless you take Sheldrake seriously.
> Krimel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magnus Berg [mailto:McMagnus at home.se]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:59 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> I actually touched this subject in an essay I'm writing, but I don't think
> *you* 
> as a whole person would be able to experience falling out of time/space.
> 
> What I speculate is that each quantum "particle" has its own
> timeline/history.
> The only thing that makes us able to exist in one time is that all those
> quantum 
> particles now use the same timeline and space. If this wasn't the case, each
> 
> particle that you depend on would go back to its own spaceless timeline, so
> you 
> would in a way explode, or rather just vanish.
> 
> Magnus
> 
> 
> 
> gav wrote:
>> okay...i see.
>> well i guess technically speaking everything that has happened or will
> ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now contains all temporal events.
>> so...in theory it may be possible to travel back/forward in time, in some
> manner of speaking.
>> i don't think you can get separated from time - the eternal is what
> encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you like. to be timeless is
> to be in eternity - the basic primordial flux devoid of any conceptual
> differentiation. maybe we visit this dimension in dreams....perhaps thatiis
> what it feels like to be a time traveller.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM
>>> I was thinking more along the line of becoming actually
>>> disconnected from
>>> space time. You are sounding more like Donnie Darko kind of
>>> unstuck or Adian
>>> Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what if you
>>> could move your
>>> existence along the temporal dimension like Dr. Who does.
>>> Back and forth. In
>>> time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> heya,
>>> 
>>>> So conceptually, abstractly how would your perceptions
>>> be
>>>> changed if you
>>>> fell out or became unhinged from time/space in say, a
>>> non a
>>>> priori way?
>>>> 
>>> time is subject to dilation/contraction, depending upon
>>> your state of mind.
>>> when meditating time seems to lose its linear regularity.
>>> two hours can seem
>>> like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with marijuana or acid
>>> - time dilates.
>>> 
>>> being 'in the zone' is one name for a non-linear
>>> time experience. when in
>>> the zone' it seems like one has plenty of time - to see
>>> the ball etc. time
>>> is slower for you than for your non-zoned opponent.
>>> 
>>> i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a no-time
>>> experience - for
>>> the 'now' is eternal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> so i don't think you explode...or if you do it is a
>>> subtle explosion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> How might it affect your flow rate?
>>>> All at once?
>>>> Wouldn't you explode?
>>>> Conceptually speaking of course.
>>>> Krimel
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>> Gav said:
>>>> time and space are patterns abstracted from
>>> experience,
>>>> like all others.
>>>> they are not a priori categories of perception a la
>>> kant.
>>>> in other words time and space, inextricably linked of
>>>> course, are perceptual
>>>> constructs. they are conceptual.
>>>> 
>>>> this is why time flows at different rates dependent
>>> upon
>>>> the state of the
>>>> perceiver. 'to see eternity in an hour...'
>>>> 
>>>> time is so everything doesn't happen at once.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I would say that Dr. Who has some of the best
>>>> speculation
>>>>> available on that
>>>>> question. He has been bouncing back and forth
>>> across
>>>> his
>>>>> own time line for
>>>>> what; 30 something years now? Unless I am
>>> mistaken he
>>>> is
>>>>> locked along the
>>>>> same time continuum for some reason of another.
>>> But
>>>>> didn't he skip into
>>>>> another timeline once or twice?
>>>>> 
>>>>> STNG did a great episode that was like. the many
>>>> worlds of
>>>>> Worf, once.
>>>>> Worf's of many different quantum worlds
>>> appears at
>>>>> once. I recall that
>>>>> Voyager's from two timelines met and
>>> eventually
>>>> one of
>>>>> the Janeways had to
>>>>> sacrifice her crew and ship to save the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I really fell out of time/space I am not sure
>>> if
>>>>> experience would even be
>>>>> sequential.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know! Where do you guys think you
>>> would be
>>>> if
>>>>> you fell out of
>>>>> time/space?
> 
> 
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