[MD] Falling out of Time/Space

[gav]

i like the idea of morphogenetic fields.


--- On Tue, 19/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:

> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008, 1:24 AM
> Wheeler's many worlds idea sort of goes with that but it
> is more like
> timestreams separate from each other at each quantum choice
> point. I'm not
> sure that each quantum particle is coherent enough across
> time to have it's
> own history, though. Plus from instant to instant
> aren't your biological
> patterns composed of different quantum particles?
> 
> After all what ever "identity" or
> "self" we have is in the pattern of
> particles and fields, not the particles or fields
> themselves. Well, it least
> unless you take Sheldrake seriously.
> Krimel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magnus Berg [mailto:McMagnus at home.se] 
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:59 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> I actually touched this subject in an essay I'm
> writing, but I don't think
> *you* 
> as a whole person would be able to experience falling out
> of time/space.
> 
> What I speculate is that each quantum "particle"
> has its own
> timeline/history. 
> The only thing that makes us able to exist in one time is
> that all those
> quantum 
> particles now use the same timeline and space. If this
> wasn't the case, each
> 
> particle that you depend on would go back to its own
> spaceless timeline, so
> you 
> would in a way explode, or rather just vanish.
> 
> 	Magnus
> 
> 
> 
> gav wrote:
> > okay...i see.
> > well i guess technically speaking everything that has
> happened or will
> ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now contains
> all temporal events.
> > so...in theory it may be possible to travel
> back/forward in time, in some
> manner of speaking. 
> > i don't think you can get separated from time -
> the eternal is what
> encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you like.
> to be timeless is
> to be in eternity - the basic primordial flux devoid of any
> conceptual
> differentiation. maybe we visit this dimension in
> dreams....perhaps thatiis
> what it feels like to be a time traveller.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace
> >> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >> Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM
> >> I was thinking more along the line of becoming
> actually
> >> disconnected from
> >> space time. You are sounding more like Donnie
> Darko kind of
> >> unstuck or Adian
> >> Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what
> if you
> >> could move your
> >> existence along the temporal dimension like Dr.
> Who does.
> >> Back and forth. In
> >> time.
> >>
> >>
> >> heya,
> >>
> >>> So conceptually, abstractly how would your
> perceptions
> >> be
> >>> changed if you
> >>> fell out or became unhinged from time/space in
> say, a
> >> non a
> >>> priori way?
> >>>
> >> time is subject to dilation/contraction, depending
> upon
> >> your state of mind.
> >> when meditating time seems to lose its linear
> regularity.
> >> two hours can seem
> >> like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with
> marijuana or acid
> >> - time dilates.
> >>
> >> being 'in the zone' is one name for a
> non-linear
> >> time experience. when in
> >> the zone' it seems like one has plenty of time
> - to see
> >> the ball etc. time
> >> is slower for you than for your non-zoned
> opponent.
> >>
> >> i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a
> no-time
> >> experience - for
> >> the 'now' is eternal.
> >>
> >>
> >> so i don't think you explode...or if you do it
> is a
> >> subtle explosion.
> >>
> >>
> >>> How might it affect your flow rate?
> >>> All at once?
> >>> Wouldn't you explode?
> >>> Conceptually speaking of course.
> >>> Krimel
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>> Gav said:
> >>> time and space are patterns abstracted from
> >> experience,
> >>> like all others.
> >>> they are not a priori categories of perception
> a la
> >> kant.
> >>> in other words time and space, inextricably
> linked of
> >>> course, are perceptual
> >>> constructs. they are conceptual.
> >>>
> >>> this is why time flows at different rates
> dependent
> >> upon
> >>> the state of the
> >>> perceiver. 'to see eternity in an
> hour...'
> >>>
> >>> time is so everything doesn't happen at
> once.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel
> <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I would say that Dr. Who has some of the
> best
> >>> speculation
> >>>> available on that
> >>>> question. He has been bouncing back and
> forth
> >> across
> >>> his
> >>>> own time line for
> >>>> what; 30 something years now? Unless I am
> >> mistaken he
> >>> is
> >>>> locked along the
> >>>> same time continuum for some reason of
> another.
> >> But
> >>>> didn't he skip into
> >>>> another timeline once or twice?
> >>>>
> >>>> STNG did a great episode that was like.
> the many
> >>> worlds of
> >>>> Worf, once.
> >>>> Worf's of many different quantum
> worlds
> >> appears at
> >>>> once. I recall that
> >>>> Voyager's from two timelines met and
> >> eventually
> >>> one of
> >>>> the Janeways had to
> >>>> sacrifice her crew and ship to save the
> other.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I really fell out of time/space I am
> not sure
> >> if
> >>>> experience would even be
> >>>> sequential.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know! Where do you guys think
> you
> >> would be
> >>> if
> >>>> you fell out of
> >>>> time/space?
> 
> 
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