[MD] What is SOM?

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DMB 

20 Aug. you wrote:

> Bo said to Magnus:
> For the umpteenth time the 4th level is NOT thinking. ...The MOQ is a
> metaphysics the greatest system there is .. follow me that far? It
> postulates the DQ/SQ split and several static levels  ...OK? Then it
> follows by simple logic that it can't be part of any of its own
> levels, but simply be itself. 
 
> dmb says:
> What kind of logic is that? How can you have an intellectual model of
> reality (metaphysics) that does not include the model itself? In what
> sense could that model stand outside of reality? At best, that would
> be a very bad metaphysical system, one that can't account for itself
> within that system. 

My premises is that the MOQ has the intellectual LEVEL as one of 
its own subsets, consequently the MOQ can't be an intellectual 
LEVEL pattern, thus your opening question "... how can you have 
an intellectual model of reality (metaphysics)" does not apply. Your 
intellect seems to be the mental compartment that contains 
models of reality - AKA "mind" - and mind is part of the 
mind/matter dichotomy that the MOQ rejects and replaces with its 
own DQ/SQ. 

> And how do you figure that an intellectual
> description of reality (metaphysics) does NOT belong at the
> intellectual level? 

In the good old days mythologies were your specialty and these 
"descriptions of reality" were not intellectual because it was before 
the intellectual LEVEL. And to contemporary social level cultures 
their holy texts aren't intellectual descriptions, they are GOD's 
OWN WORDS! The notion that any reality (and it must necessarily 
be described) is intellectual (theoretical, mental) is 4th level 
through and through..        

> And how do you figure that the intellectual level
> does not involving thinking? 

"Thinking" is defined by the 4th level as mental patterns, and 
mental/corporeal is part of its (intellect's) S/O matrix that the MOQ 
has declared invalid. Thus the 4th. intellectual level does not 
involve thinking as such, it involves a thinking realm (mind) as 
different from a material realm. 

Thinking or intelligence is something from deep down in the 
biological level when the more advanced neural system called 
brain allowed for storage of previous experience and running 
through logical gates thereof. Animals may be very  intelligent too, 
but haven't reached the social level and therefore not the 
intellectual from where existence sees thinking as belonging to a 
disembodied realm. And you - DMB - have obviously not reached 
the MOQ level where this context is seen   

> It seems to me that you must be suffering
> from a very odd definition of "metaphysics" and "intellect". You seem
> to think the MOQ is reality itself rather than words about reality and
> so you are altering the MOQ so that it is construed as essentialism
> rather than philosophical mysticism, which is a vigorous form of
> anti-essentialism. 

Yes if that is essentialism I'm very much so, but because DQ is 
part and parcel of the MOQ I wonder how you avoid being a 
Quality essentialist too ...  without resorting to the Quality//DQ/SQ 
variety that even Pirsig finally had to abandon. 

> I don't know how you got so mixed up but I gotta
> say that being so wrong for so long is really starting to make you
> look a little nuts or, at best, tragically incorrigible.

OK, old friend, Phaedrus was a little nutty too, while Pirsig returned 
"sane" and screwed up P's original ideas. And when SA and the 
like applauds you, you ought to know that you are off tracks - the Q 
ones at least. 

Bo