[MD] is-ness

[Ron Kulp]

Bo:
If we strike out "intellectual" from  "whether an intellectual model of 
reality must be included in reality itself." it's a different issue, 
namely the Godel Theorem about no theory/system being totally 
closed. This one must be really nutty to hope to avoid. 

Ron:
Godel's Therom, by the way, states that some parts of mathematics are
based on ideas that cannot be proven within the system of mathematics.

MATHEMATICS Bo, Mathematics is not reality, that's kinda what ole Kurt
was trying to say about any system/model with his theorem.