[MD] For Bo

[David M]

Hi Ian/SA

Should not disagrement aim to reach an understanding of
where the difference is. What sort of differences? These maybe:

Different experience
Different values
Different interpretation/value of experience
Different split between possible/impossible
Different definitions
Irrational feelings of difference when there is none (DMB)

anything else?

DM



> Hi SA, must have missed it ... interesting question.
>
> Of course I value disagreement over matters of substance, it's an
> opportunity to find new agreement ... and "keep the dialogue going"
> whilst we do so. I can't believe I've ever said anything like "and
> we'll all agree" ... 'cos I certainly don't believe that ... that
> would be like "agreeing to disagree", which is only ever a temporary
> "holiday" in pragmatic terms.
>
> There are certain kinds of disagreement that I generally avoid /
> object to, particularly by e-mail, better over a beer or a walk in the
> woods. Two main kinds ....
>
> (1) Negative accusations over the integrity, motives and personal
> character of your interlocutor. These are ad hominem attacks - a
> no-no. Should be moderated.
>
> (2) Debates that start from political ideological premises. Which I
> tend to avoid rather than object too, just a matter of preference ...
> not enough time in the world in my mind to progress these beyond
> sloganizing, slanging-matches, unless the intelocutor shows intent to
> drop lay the ideological points aside from the argument.
>
> Basically, it's a question of motive SA. My motive in argumentation is
> to find something, anything, worth agreeing, adding value to the
> world, not to "avoid" argument or explanation. I avoid (some)
> arguments that look unlikley to add any value, for practical reasons
> of bandwidth and sanity.
>
> As I have said before Mary Parker-Follett, would be my archetype, in
> my position on the subject of disagreement and argumentation. Hope
> that helps. What was the context of your original question ?
> Ian
>
> On 8/22/08, Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ian,
>>
>>     I recently had a question for you, but heard no response.  Don't know 
>> if you saw it or not.  I asked you (since your a proponent of a certain 
>> middle way) if you value disagreement, or if it goes against your grain? 
>> I know you like to say stuff like 'dialog long enough and we'll find we 
>> all agree', and seem to be against people disagreeing with each other on 
>> this forum.  Curious.
>>
>>
>> SA
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [MD] For Bo
>> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:02 AM
>> > Actually, Ron, SA,
>> >
>> > Godel's argument concerns any formal system of logic
>> > (not just
>> > mathematics per se) ... but it doesn't change your
>> > point, since the
>> > argument was part of the debate about whether mathematics
>> > and logic
>> > resolve to the same thing.
> n it is only a rarely used and one of
>> > many,
>> > > methods of reasoning.
>> > >
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