[MD] MOQ criticism

[Christoffer Ivarsson]

>> Hello Christoffer, where have you been?

Oh, it's been a nice, but reclusive summer. It's been hard to get into any 
kind of debate-mood, but I'm back in Lund now, and that's quite stimulating 
in itself =)

[Chris before]
>> > Comrades. Hope you all are well. I had a thought for a topic that I
>> > think was discussed some time ago but I also have the distinct
>> > feeling we got sidetracked (The MOQ_Discuss - sidetracked?
>> > Impossible!)

>>  ;-)

>> > Anyway the question I wanted to ask you was what criticism you have
>> > heard against the MOQ - the best and the worst - and perhaps how you
>> > would answer to it?

> [Bo]
> The worst attacks are the alleged defenses of it. The early bad reviews
> of LILA are child's play compared to the said phenomena. SOM is
> equal to academy and its "dee-Dewey-da-James-dum..." approach to
> the MOQ is its death knell. The MOQ turns light-year wide circles
> around academical philosophology.

>[Platt]
> Right. The only philosophology that comes anywhere close to the MOQ is
> Plato's idea that the highest good is Beauty.



I agree. But I assume that we all (perhaps with an exception for Ham) will 
agree on the point that the whole of mankind would benefit of adapting a MOQ 
view in everything (a bit hard not to do it in everything when it is a 
metaphysics we are talking about =] )  but I think we also agree that his is 
something that isn't going to happen very fast - after all it took quite 
some time for SOM to take hold. Im just wondering what you think the main 
obstacle is - I mean what criticism that is the most important to address.

I have myself debated with a fair about of objectivists (not the Any Rand 
stuff, but the science guys who are SOM but say that there is nothing but 
matter) and it is infuriatingly difficult to get these people to understand 
that A) their idea of scientific truth is based on a metaphysic in the first 
place and B) that there is any use in re-examining this metaphysic.

The most annoying one I talked to keept insisting that values are objects 
too,  that soon we would be able to observe specific "things" in the brain 
that determines what we value, and therefore he didn't see any use in 
re-examine his philosophical base for conducting his scientific work.

In short, he is out there expanding his knowledge in Good old SOM fashion  - 
working for the intellectual level indeed - and so how do I get him to see 
the value in the MOQ?

//Chris