[MD] What is SOM?
Platt Holden
plattholden at gmail.com
Mon Aug 25 04:56:33 PDT 2008
> [Platt]
> No, I mean, "Oops."
>
> [Arlo]
> Why "oops" and not "aha!"? But no matter, what do you offer other than
> "poof"?
> Is it the "unintended consequences" you deny? Do you think that a "plan"
> existed before the world was created to bring "human consciousness" into
> existence? Where did that "plan" reside? Is this evidence that you
> support
> Ham's Great Poof Theory, where "On High" went "Abracadabra!" and there
> appeared
> consciousness in primates? (If so, then let me know as my next post will
> then
> be about the evolution of consciousness, another topic Ham has been
> wholly
> unable to answer).
>
> [Platt]
> Why do you ask these questions?
>
> [Arlo]
> Curiosity. What are your answers?
Why are you curious?
>
> [Arlo had asked]
> First, I assume you'd agree that at some point in the far, far distant
> past,
> some pre-pre-primate of man lacked the sophistication in
> consciousness/awareness that "man" possesses. If you disagree here, let me
> know.
>
> If we accept the above premise, then something had to change, some event
> or
> something that occurred, some change in something, that can account for
> the
> appearance of something where it did not exist before. No?
>
> I've been vocal about my view on social participation (an unintended
> consequence of neurological evolution) being this "change". Physiologists
> may
> point to simply the neurobiological changes in themselves that account for
> the
> appearance of human consciousness. Both of these views you characterize
> (slyly)
> as "oops". I've argued that these are not "oops" but "aha's!", moments
> where
> Quality latched onto the unexpected formations that appeared due to
> genetic
> changes.
>
> So I ask you, Platt, "what changed?" You disavow both physiological and
> sociological theories. I know that. So what do you offer instead? The
> only
> thing I could glean from Ham's responses is a sort of Divine Intervention,
> a
> great "Abracadabra!" or "Poof!" where "on high" (Ham's words) suddenly
> poofed
> consciousness into existence.
>
> What do you offer instead of these? Although you run from the word, the
> only
> thing you have ever offered in the past is "Great Poof" a la Ham of some
> "Qualigod". Now tell me, if not "oops" or "aha!" or "poof", then what?
>
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