[MD] Consciousness a la Platt
ARLO J BENSINGER JR
ajb102 at psu.edu
Mon Aug 25 16:14:58 PDT 2008
[Platt]
And I ask again, why ask someone you consider a moron anything?
[Arlo]
Because, YOU deride OTHERS. What do YOU offer instead? But you've now answered
this, you offer nothing but The Carousel of Faux Philosophy. I'll repeat my
questions a seventh time, but I've proven my point.
[Arlo previously]
Platt had, as is typical, derided the arguments made by Krimel (about the
origins of consciousness) as "oops". Since Ham has already indicated his
beliefs to be "poof", but has been wholly unable to articulate any answers to
these simple questions, I thought that Platt, who also advocates a "Great Poof"
theory should have a go at them. After three posts of evasion (thread was under
What is SOM?), I thought I pull this into a new thread to, to give Platt (or
Ham) a more noticeable forum to consider these questions.
I am also adding to this the question about the evolution of consciousness. But
first, the thread Platt has (so far) been wholly unable to answer. Hopefully
his next post to this will be answers to these questions.
[Arlo had asked]
First, I assume you'd agree that at some point in the far, far distant past,
some pre-pre-primate of man lacked the sophistication in
consciousness/awareness that "man" possesses. If you disagree here, let me
know.If we accept the above premise, then something had to change, some event
or something that occurred, some change in something, that can account for the
appearance of something where it did not exist before, No?
I've been vocal about my view on social participation (an unintended
consequence of neurological evolution) being this "change". Physiologists may
point to simply the neurobiological changes in themselves that account for the
appearance of human consciousness. Both of these views you characterize (slyly)
as "oops". I've argued that these are not "oops" but "aha's!", moments where
Quality latched onto the unexpected formations that appeared due to genetic
changes.
So I ask you, Platt, "what changed?" You disavow both physiological and
sociological theories. I know that. So what do you offer instead? The only
thing I could glean from Ham's responses is a sort of Divine Intervention, a
great "Abracadabra!" or "Poof!" where "on high" (Ham's words) suddenly poofed
consciousness into existence.What do you offer instead of these?
Although you run from the word, the only thing you have ever offered in the
past is "Great Poof" a la Ham of some "Qualigod". Now tell me, if not "oops" or
"aha!" or "poof", the what?
[Arlo adds a new question to Platt]
Is it your opinion, along with Ham, that "consciousness" in man has evolved
over historic time, from "genus to species" (as Ham said), from the earliest
primates with this consciousness to modern man? Or did "consciousness" appear
fully-formed and fully-evolved in those early primates?
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