[MD] Consciousness a la Platt/Ham

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Ham]
But, since Arlo claims to have resolved it, perhaps he will now reciprocate and
give us the "real" solution, a la Arlo.

[Arlo]
I've articulated my views, and tied them to the MOQ, a half-dozen times in
these threads, most recently in my reply to Chris. If you are incapable of
finding them there, let me know and I will retype them just for you. I may not
have "resolved it", but at least I am capable of articulating an honest,
simple, direct answer (and one, I add, that I am not afraid nor incapable of
justifying, qualifying and defending).

But you've already said I am wrong, that it is NOT biology and it is NOT social
participation. So what I say is hardly the point. I know you think I am wrong,
I get that. What I've been asking is what do you offer instead?

If you claim not to know, then how do you know I am wrong? How do you know it
isn't these two things? If you know so surely its not these, certainly you have
an idea as to what it IS. 

So once again, Ham, I ask.

1. You said "consciousness evolves" from "genus to species". This is YOUR
claim. Isn't it?

2. I asked a simple question to this. IF this is the case, as you claim, HOW
does it happen? HOW did successive generations of primates end up with "more
evolved" consciousness?

3. You've denied biology as the answer. You've denied socialization as the
answer. This evidences that you DO propose an answer of some sort, or else
you'd say "I don't know, could be biology, could be sociology, we just don't
know". But you insist these ARE NOT the answer. Fine. So I ask, WHAT IS?

Also.

1. You said that "consciousness" appears somewhere in the historic timeline, as
there were at one point pre-pre-primates without it. This is YOUR claim. Isn't
it?

2. I asked a simple question to this. IF this is the case, as you claim, then
"what changed?" What happened that is different that resulted in consciousness
appearing in the primate line?

3. You've denied biology as the answer. You've denied socialization as the
answer. Again, this evidences that you DO propose an answer of some sort, one
that you've only alluded to by saying "its a gift from on high", a Divine
Intervention, an Abracadabra "poof there was consciousness". But you deny this.
Fine I ask, then WHAT CHANGED?